New guy looking for some advice

perrosuperior

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Hey All,
I'm new! Gotta love it. I've been lurking for quite some time and I decided to finally jump into some discussion. It just so happens I have a question :D. My family of 4 is quickly outgrowing our current boat, a 1976 Newman 15' tri-hull with a monsterous Chrysler 85HP outboard on the back. It's been a great starter boat, and it has also given us a much better idea of what we like and don't like when it comes to boats. So here we are, looking to upgrade. We decided that we don't want another boat with an outboard, so we're going to be looking for something with an i/0. We beach regularly so I don't think a direct drive or V drive would suit our needs.

As much as I like the stability of the tri-hull, we're going to be looking for something with a v-hull and we're also going to be looking for more power to handle added weight of friends and some of the sports we're getting into. We enjoy tubing, skiing, and are trying wakeboarding (a huge issue for the smaller boat without pylon).

A huge concern for us is the floor. We've dealt with floor issues and it's not something we'd like to worry about too much going forward, but I'm not sure our budget will lend itself to a full fiberglass floor as opposed to one with a wood core.

While we won't be buying a new boat, we did hit the recent boat show to get a feel for the size boat we'd like to get. I know that layouts change, but we quickly found that while a 17' or 18' boat would meet our immediate needs, something in the 19' - 21' would suit our needs well into the future. While we probably wouldn't have a wake tower or pylon to start it's something we could add to keep us going in the direction we desire.

Given all that information and a budget of a maximum $6500 I've been searching around and have learned that while I feel like I know what I want, there are WAY too many variables out there and I need some experienced advice. I have found two boats that have peaked my interest, a 1990 Rinker Captiva 206 with a 5.7 mericruiser and an asking price of $4500, and a 1992 Celebrity 206 28ev with a 5.7 yamaha and an asking price of $5500. Checking Nada, both of these are over priced, but at the same time I can't seem to find anything comparable for less in my area.

So, would anyone be kind enough to give me any advice as to what I should be looking for in my searches and when I actually get to the boat and take it for the test run? Are my wants congruent with my price point and current searches? Is there a brand I should avoid or one I should search out?

Thanks so much!
 

ezmobee

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Re: New guy looking for some advice

1992 Celebrity 206 28ev with a 5.7 yamaha and an asking price of $5500.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO and NO.

There are practically NO parts and service for the very rare yamaha stern drives. Stick with Mercruiser or Volvo.
 

perrosuperior

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Re: New guy looking for some advice

Wow, that was fast! So that kicks the celebrity to the curb. Thanks! Saving $1000 would be a great thing so we could direct the funds to more time any unforseen repairs and time on the water.
 

ezmobee

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Ok, now that we got that out of the way :) NADA is fairly worthless. It doesn't really take into account local conditions. Boats sell for varying prices in different areas. What you're seeing in your area is what you're seeing. A good condition 20' with a V8 certainly sounds fairly priced to me at $4500.

I think you're looking at the right boats. 19-20' bowriders with a V8. In that price range you are going to be looking at older boats. Your biggest concern is going to be rot. Any soft spots on the floor could be indicative of larger problems so none are acceptable. You also want a solid transom. I would recommend a water test and having the engine/drive checked out by a mechanic. Good luck with your search.
 

perrosuperior

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Re: New guy looking for some advice

Thanks for the input. I'll definitely be taking a water test and have it checked out by a mechanic before dropping the cash on it. And the reason behind the budget is just that, it'll be a cash purchase, so I try to do my duediligence before dropping the funds.

With that, is a rinker a decent brand? I have heard the name quite a bit, and my wife's uncle had a cuddy cabin a while back, unfortunately it sunk outside of galveston. I ask because I tend to repair rather than replace, and if this suits my needs with regards to fit and function, I'll likely keep it indefinitely and just repair / upgrade as necessary.

Thanks again!
 

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With that, is a rinker a decent brand?

Rinker is a solid middle-range brand. However, in the age you're going to be looking at it's all about condition condition condition. I'd much rather have a well-maintained Bayliner than a neglected Cobalt.
 

Gary H NC

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Rinker has been around for some time.
The brand of hull is not as important as the condition.
Remember,going from an outboard powered boat to an I/O is a big difference.
More things that need serviced and winterized every year.Bellows,Bearings,U-joints,ect...

The biggest concern is the condition of the hull, solid floor,stringers and transom.
Was the boat stored outside or inside.What service records does the seller have,was the drive pulled yearly and serviced......the list goes on.

The first thing i do when looking at a used boat is get out my rubber hammer and start at the transom.
Tap all areas of the transom and it should sound the same...a solid rap.If the tone changes to more of a thud as you tap closer to the drive then that is a sure sign of rot.

Look in every storage compartment.Is it wet or dry and is there any strong mildew smells..

Take a good mechanic with you and its always a good idea to have him do a compression test on each cylinder.
Take a sample of gear lube from the drive.It should be clean and no milky look.

Good luck! Hope you find a good one...;)
 

perrosuperior

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Again, thanks! I knew this place was active, but I didn't realize just how active.

From my reading I've leared much of what you said Bubba. I'm hoping to go with a V8, but haven't ruled out a V6. Fortunately it appears as though most (all of the ones I've seen in my searches) of the boats in the 20' range are equiped with the V8. I did not know there were people you can hire to inspect a boat like that. I paid $300 for a inspection on my home prior to buying it, and I'd be willing to pay a little for piece of mind on a new to me boat. Where do you find such a person? A local marina?

EZ, I completely agree for the most part, but like you said about the yamaha outdrive, there are some things that you should just stay away from. It's like buying a well maintained yugo, at the end of the day it's a yugo and the quality just wasn't there. I am quite glad to hear that Rinker is a solid middle-range brand as I'd like to find a well maintained middle-range boat. Like I said, I hope to find one that I can keep for the forseeable future.
 

ezmobee

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Oh this place is active alright. And this is in the Winter! You should update your profile with your location. We do have a few craigslist junkies on here that may find your perfect boat for you. Also don't hesitate to post up any potential boats you're considering as you will get good honest opinions on them.
 

Gary H NC

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Ask around at your local marina or fellow boaters in the area.
They should be able to tell you where to find a good mechanic or marine surveyor....
I good boat tech working on the side will be less expensive than a surveyor.
It just depends on what you are willing to spend to have it checked over.

It is money well spent!:)
 

perrosuperior

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I'm in Duncan Oklahoma (I didn't realize my profile wasn't updated). I've extended my search to include the Dallas / Ft. Worth area because there aren't huge bodies of water around here and that impacts the market. Also, there are a lot more bass boats and pontoons than what I'm looking for. It's all good. I'm patient and will look for something that fits well.

I'm waiting on more information with regards to the rinker. I haven't seen it in person, but when I do get the info I'll certainly be asking about it.

Would it be wise to post on craigslist to see if I can find a tech that might be able to check a boat over for me, or should I stick with the marinas?

Thanks again!
 

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HI. I certainly am not questioning your decision, but I was just curious as to why you ruled out an outboard?
 

perrosuperior

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Re: New guy looking for some advice

I ruled out the outboard because I hope to have a swim platform added at some point. We do a good bit of swiming from the boat, and the outboard tends to be more of a nusiance. Beyond that, the outboard has been a great boat.

Now, I did say I have a current boat, so here's a little eye candy from our favorite little hideaway.

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perrosuperior

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It's not quite for sale yet :D I'm not sure if I'm going to sell it or keep it for a project once it's been replaced. I will say that for the couple of years I've had it, it's been an awesome boat. Aside from a small issue with the ignition module, it has ran flawlessly, and even then I was able to make it back to shore without issue. It does need some work, but we've decided that for the time being, the money will be best used on something that will fit the family better. There's nothing like squeezing all 4 of us, plus 2 friends, a tube, skiis, cooler and other stuff in that little thing. If it were just for fishing and a couple of people it'd be great.
 

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Re: New guy looking for some advice

I ruled out the outboard because I hope to have a swim platform added at some point. We do a good bit of swiming from the boat, and the outboard tends to be more of a nusiance. Beyond that, the outboard has been a great boat.


I can't argue that an outboard is less in the way, however, having an outboard doesn't rule out having a swim platform.

This is my 19' Larson. It has an integrated swim platform with a standing/sittin surface on either side of the motor. It also has a ladder on one side to allow you to get out of the water easily. There are many manufacturers that started to build boats with similar designs in the late 80s.

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I just bought my Larson in October and paid significanly less than your budget. It has a 10 person capacity and with the 150hp Evinrude it will run 46MPH (gps) with a moderate load and I have seen 48 on the gps with a light load. The hull is rated up to 175hp. With the 150 the hole shot is impressive and I can't complain about the top end. It does seem to be pretty thirsty though. I'll be puting a fuel flow meter on it in the spring.

If you like the simplicity of an outboard don't rule out a newer one until you have given it a fair shake. In a lot of cases an outboard has more advantages than an I/O....of course a lot of times it comes down to personal prefrence.

Good luck and happy shopping.
 

perrosuperior

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Hey Rotary Racer, thanks for the input! My decision to move to an I/O is based off my experiences with what I'm currently running. I just like the idea of everything being below deck so to speak. Looking at the different models at the shows, I think finding an I/O and adding an extended swim platform will lend itself better to diving off the back at anchor along with being able to sit together and hang the feet in the water while watching the sunset. I love the simplicity of the outboard when compared to the I/O, but ultimately the past couple of years have brought about this decision. If I wasn't afraid of beaching an inboard or v-drive, I'd probably look at those closer. The kids want to get into wakeboarding, and what I've read is the are more adept at that, although I've boarded a bit behing my outboard. I guess I think this is the best compromise that will take me into the foreseeable future.
 

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There is nothing wrong with I/Os. The advantage that you are looking at is a strong one. I think you have a good plan.
 

Campylobacter

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My family swims a lot too, and this made the choice of an OB hard for me as well. We finally settled on a deck boat, these things have a platform on the front, which I now think is ideal. I've attached a pic of a tahoe, we have a Hurricane but the idea is the same.

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Now I have the best of both worlds; the convenience of and OB, plenty of places to dangle the feet at sunset, and TWO boarding ladders. I prefer to swim off the front anyway, no way to hit the prop. Lastly, whomever told you you the I/O is better for wakeboarding is misinformed.
 
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