Question for Dhadley or other experts

GatorMike

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I a few questions for Dhadley or any of the other experts who care to answer. I asked for Dhadley because he has helped me a couple of times in the past and I really trust his opinions.



Anyway I posted a couple of weeks ago about a 98 115 crossflow v4 that sat for 9 months and when I tried to start it she was seized up. The engine was in good shape the last time I used it and by some stroke of luck I just happened to do a compression check before I put it up and all cylinders were within 5 psi and around 118 psi. I had noticed the last couple of times I used it a little rust on the tip of the lower left spark plug which concerned me a little but not too much. So when I tried to turn it over after 9 months of sitting and it was frozen up tight I suspected the rings had rusted. On the advice of several helpful people here at iboats I filled the cylinders with first PB Blaster, then Marvel Miracle Oil and finally CorrosionX for a total of about a week of soaking. She still wouldn't budge. I pulled the heads and there was a little surface rust on the lower 2 cylinders but not so much as to concern me, the slight amount of rust easily wiped off with an oily rag and the bore is smooth.



At this point I decided to remove the powerhead for further inspection and possibly a rebuild. By the way Dhadley you were right, the problem I had with lifting the powerhead off was the 2 studs at the rear of the powerhead were rusted and a few hard shakes of the powerhead broke them loose. Anyway once I got the powerhead on a bench I removed one of the inspection ports and looked into the port and although visibility is limited I saw no rust. This was good because I had expected salt water had somehow got into the crankcase and rusted things up, apparently not. Next I removed the outer and inner exhaust covers and although they were dirty inside (not all that dirty though) I found no signs of rust. once the crud was cleaned up the 2 cylinders I could see through the exhaust ports looked rust free. The rings even appear to be shiny. Of course this is after a week of soaking and another week or two of spraying them down every day with penetrating oil.



This brings me to my first question. I would like to open this thing up and find out why she is seized up but I know once I break the seal on the crankcase halves it means all new seals, gaskets and probably bearings and rings. I would like to try to free this thing up one more time before I get into that much work. When I was trying to turn the flywheel before I was applying about 180 lbs of torque to the torque wrench. I did not go beyond this because I didn't want to break anything. At this point since my next step is tearing this engine apart I am not so afraid of breaking anything. My question is should I put a good long breakerbar on the flywheel nut and really bear down on it or should 180 lbs have been enough to break it loose? I did put an impact wrench on it but that was almost useless. I will say I can tap on one of the pistons with a hammer and it bounces around just a little, the other three show no movement at all.


I have another question or two but I thought I would take them one at a time. Thanks.
 

jonesg

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Re: Question for Dhadley or other experts

I would try more penetrating oil and tap the pistons with a wood dowel and give it a bit more time, vibration helps the oil penetrate.
 

F_R

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Re: Question for Dhadley or other experts

Don't be reefing on the flywheel nut that way. Overtorquing the nut will destroy the flywheel by spreading the taper. You may have already done it, especially with that impact wrench. If you want to force it, use a strap wrench on the flywheel.

That powerhead needs to come apart. You claim there is no rust, but there is something that you aren't seeing. You might as well bite the dust and tear it down before you wreck something else. You will have a hard time convincing me there is no major damage inside. Even if you manage to break the pistons free, the rings are going to be stuck in the piston grooves. I don't gamble, but if I did, I would lay my money on it having etched bearings and crank.

And locating that water leak is mandatory.
 

rodbolt

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Re: Question for Dhadley or other experts

most liky either stuck a piston or water locked the bottom bearing, shoulda fixed it while the fixing was cheap.
just pray the crank and rod shiney surfaces are not pitted.
ANY time you find water or evidence of water on a plug the cause must be found and corrected immediatly or the fuel recirc system will most likly move water to bad places.
if water is noted on a plug its coming from somewhere and that somewhere could be from the crankcase side of the engine.
rust in a two stroke and it doesnt concern you?
 

1946Zephyr

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Re: Question for Dhadley or other experts

Not to hijack a thread or anything but once I had a guy bring in an old 18hp with a blown head gasket. I started it up with the bottom spark plug out and sprayed the guy with water, coming out of number 2 spark plug hole:D:D:D
 
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