E3 diamondfire spark plugs...WHOA BABY!!

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waterinthefuel

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That's right. It's called experimentation. All of these people that are knocking it have one thing in common, they never tried it. That's like me saying that Toyota Rav 4 SUV's drive like crap and yet I've never driven one. Well, historically SUV's drive poorly so that means this one does too. Yea right. LOL
 

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There have been dozens of tests that you can find on the web about these things. Don't waste your money!
 

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There have been dozens of tests that you can find on the web about these things. Don't waste your money!

Hey bruceb58, please post some links to these tests. Id be very interested in reading the results.

Thanks.
 

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This is for Splitfire, a plug that makes the same claims as these and is of a somewhat similar design. They make claims that can't be backed up by scientific testing, only anecdotal reports from unamed supposed users of the product.

In other words they don't work as claimed.

This find took about one minute, I'm sure I'll find more easily.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION

In the Matter of
SPLITFIRE, INC., a corporation.

FILE NO. 952-3029

AGREEMENT CONTAINING CONSENT ORDER

The Federal Trade Commission has conducted an investigation of certain acts and practices of SplitFire, Inc., a corporation ("proposed respondent"). Proposed respondent, having been represented by counsel, is willing to enter into an agreement containing a consent order resolving the allegations contained in the attached draft complaint. Therefore,

IT IS HEREBY AGREED by and between SplitFire, Inc., and counsel for the Federal Trade Commission that:

1. Proposed respondent SplitFire, Inc. is an Illinois corporation with its principal office or place of business at 4065 Commercial Avenue, Northbrook, Illinois, 60062-1851.

2. Proposed respondent admits all the jurisdictional facts set forth in the draft complaint.

3. Proposed respondent waives:

a. Any further procedural steps;

b. The requirement that the Commission's decision contain a statement of findings of fact and conclusions of law; and

c. All rights to seek judicial review or otherwise to challenge or contest the validity of the order entered pursuant to this agreement.

4. This agreement shall not become part of the public record of the proceeding unless and until it is accepted by the Commission. If this agreement is accepted by the Commission, it, together with the draft complaint, will be placed on the public record for a period of sixty (60) days and information about it publicly released. The Commission thereafter may either withdraw its acceptance of this agreement and so notify proposed respondent, in which event it will take such action as it may consider appropriate, or issue and serve its complaint (in such form as the circumstances may require) and decision in disposition of the proceeding.

5. This agreement is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by proposed respondent that the law has been violated as alleged in the draft complaint, or that the facts as alleged in the draft complaint, other than the jurisdictional facts, are true.

6. This agreement contemplates that, if it is accepted by the Commission, and if such acceptance is not subsequently withdrawn by the Commission pursuant to the provisions of Section 2.34 of the Commission's Rules, the Commission may, without further notice to proposed respondent, (1) issue its complaint corresponding in form and substance with the attached draft complaint and its decision containing the following order in disposition of the proceeding, and (2) make information about it public. When so entered, the order shall have the same force and effect and may be altered, modified, or set aside in the same manner and within the same time provided by statute for other orders. The order shall become final upon service. Delivery of the complaint and the decision and order to proposed respondent by any means specified in Section 4.4 of the Commission's Rules shall constitute service. Proposed respondent waives any right it may have to any other manner of service. The complaint may be used in construing the terms of the order. No agreement, understanding, representation, or interpretation not contained in the order or in the agreement may be used to vary or contradict the terms of the order.

7. Proposed respondent has read the draft complaint and consent order. Proposed respondent understands it may be liable for civil penalties in the amount provided by law and other appropriate relief for each violation of the order after it becomes final.

ORDER

DEFINITIONS

For the purposes of this order, the following definitions shall apply:

1. "Competent and reliable scientific evidence" shall mean tests, analyses, research, studies, or other evidence based on the expertise of professionals in the relevant area, that have been conducted and evaluated in an objective manner by persons qualified to do so, using procedures generally accepted in the profession to yield accurate and reliable results.

2. Unless otherwise specified, "Respondent" shall mean SplitFire, Inc., a corporation, its successors and assigns, and its officers, agents, representatives and employees. For purposes of this order, "successors" shall include, but not be limited to:

(a) any person who

(1) markets the SplitFire spark plug, any split-electrode spark plug, or any spark plug with more than two electrodes; and

(2) holds or has held an ownership interest in and/or serves or has served as an officer of respondent SplitFire, Inc.; and

(b) any entity that

(1) markets the SplitFire spark plug, any split-electrode spark plug, or any spark plug with more than two electrodes; and

(2) is owned or controlled, wholly or in part, by any person who holds or has held an ownership interest in respondent SplitFire, Inc. and/or serves or has served as an officer of respondent SplitFire, Inc.

3. "In or affecting commerce" shall mean as defined in Section 4 of the Federal Trade Commission Act, 15 U.S.C. 44.

IT IS ORDERED that respondent, directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device, in connection with the manufacturing, labeling, advertising, promotion, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of the "SplitFire Spark Plug," or any other motor vehicle product, in or affecting commerce, shall not make any representation, in any manner, expressly or by implication, about:

The effect of such product on a vehicle's fuel economy;

The effect of such product on a vehicle's level of emissions;

The effect of such product on a vehicle's horsepower; or

The comparative or absolute cost savings that such product will contribute to or achieve, unless, at the time it is made, respondent possesses and relies upon competent and reliable scientific evidence that substantiates the representation.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent, directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device, in connection with the manufacturing, labeling, advertising, promotion, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of any motor vehicle product, in or affecting commerce, shall not misrepresent, in any manner, expressly or by implication, the existence, contents, validity, results, conclusions or interpretations of any test, study, or research.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent, directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device, in connection with the manufacturing, labeling, advertising, promotion, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of any motor vehicle product, in or affecting commerce, shall not represent, in any manner, expressly or by implication, that the experience represented by any user testimonial or endorsement of the product represents the typical or ordinary experience of members of the public who use the product, unless:

At the time it is made, respondent possesses and relies upon competent and reliable scientific evidence that substantiates the representation; or

Respondent discloses, clearly and prominently, and in close proximity to the endorsement or testimonial, either:

What the generally expected results would be for users of the product, or

The limited applicability of the endorser's experience to what consumers may generally expect to achieve, that is, that consumers should not expect to experience similar results.

For purposes of this Part, "endorsement" shall mean as defined in 16 C.F.R. 255.0(b).

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent, directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device, in connection with the manufacturing, labeling, advertising, promotion, offering for sale, sale, or distribution of any motor vehicle product, in or affecting commerce, shall not make any representation, in any manner, expressly or by implication, about the benefits, performance, or efficacy of such product, unless, at the time the representation is made, respondent possesses and relies upon competent and reliable evidence, which when appropriate must be competent and reliable scientific evidence, that substantiates the representation.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent SplitFire, Inc. and its successors and assigns shall, for five (5) years after the last date of dissemination of any representation covered by this order, maintain and upon request make available to the Federal Trade Commission for inspection and copying:

A. All advertisements and promotional materials containing the representation;

B. All materials that were relied upon in disseminating the representation; and

C. All tests, reports, studies, surveys, demonstrations, or other evidence in their possession or control that contradict, qualify, or call into question the representation, or the basis relied upon for the representation, including complaints and other communications with consumers or with governmental or consumer protection organizations.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent SplitFire, Inc. and its successors and assigns, shall deliver a copy of this order to all current and future principals, officers, directors, and managers, and to all current and future employees, agents, and representatives having responsibilities with respect to the subject matter of this order, and shall secure from each such person a signed and dated statement acknowledging receipt of the order. Respondent shall deliver this order to current personnel within thirty (30) days after the date of service of this order, and to future personnel within thirty (30) days after the person assumes such position or responsibilities.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent SplitFire, Inc., and its successors and assigns, shall notify the Commission at least thirty (30) days prior to any change in the corporation that may affect compliance obligations arising under this order, including but not limited to a dissolution, assignment, sale, merger, or other action that would result in the emergence of a successor corporation; the creation or dissolution of a subsidiary, parent or affiliate that engages in any acts or practices subject to this order; the proposed filing of a bankruptcy petition; or a change in the corporate name or address. Provided, however, that, with respect to any proposed change in the corporation about which respondent learns less than thirty (30) days prior to the date such action is to take place, respondent shall notify the Commission as soon as is practicable after obtaining such knowledge. All notices required by this Part shall be sent by certified mail to the Associate Director, Division of Enforcement, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, D.C. 20580.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that respondent SplitFire, Inc., and its successors and assigns, shall, within sixty (60) days after the date of service of this order, and at such other times as the Federal Trade Commission may require, file with the Commission a report, in writing, setting forth in detail the manner and form in which it has complied with this order.

This order will terminate twenty (20) years from the date of its issuance, or twenty (20) years from the most recent date that the United States or the Federal Trade Commission files a complaint (with or without an accompanying consent decree) in federal court alleging any violation of the order, whichever comes later; provided, however, that the filing of such a complaint will not affect the duration of:

A. Any Part in this order that terminates in less than twenty (20) years;

B. This order's application to any respondent that is not named as a defendant in such complaint; and

C. This order if such complaint is filed after the order has terminated pursuant to this Part.

Provided further, that if such complaint is dismissed or a federal court rules that the respondent did not violate any provision of the order, and the dismissal or ruling is either not appealed or upheld on appeal, then the order will terminate according to this Part as though the complaint had never been filed, except that the order will not terminate between the date such complaint is filed and the later of the deadline for appealing such dismissal or ruling and the date such dismissal or ruling is upheld on appeal.

Signed this day of , 199_.


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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION

In the Matter of
SPLITFIRE, INC., a corporation.

DOCKET NO.

COMPLAINT

The Federal Trade Commission, having reason to believe that SplitFire, Inc., a corporation ("respondent"), has violated the provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act, and it appearing to the Commission that a proceeding by it in respect thereof would be in the public interest, alleges:

Respondent SplitFire, Inc. is an Illinois corporation with its principal office or place of business at 4065 Commercial Avenue, Northbrook, Illinois, 60062-1851.

Respondent has manufactured, advertised, labeled, offered for sale, sold, and distributed automotive products to the public, including the "SplitFire Spark Plug," an internal combustion engine spark plug with one split or forked electrode.

The acts and practices of respondent alleged in this complaint have been in or affecting commerce, as "commerce" is defined in Section 4 of the Federal Trade Commission Act.

Respondent has disseminated or has caused to be disseminated advertisements for SplitFire Spark Plugs, including but not necessarily limited to the attached Exhibits A through D. These advertisements contain the following statements and depictions:

"Good [Depiction of a conventional spark plug]

Conventional Plugs

. . .

Better [Depiction of a platinum-tipped spark plug]

Platinum Plugs

. . .

BEST [Depiction of a SplitFire Spark Plug]

SplitFire Plugs

. . .

Experts say improved combustion of the fuel/air mixture results in:

MORE POWER MORE MILEAGE LOWER EMISSIONS

The SplitFire Advantage

'It Only Costs More Until You Use It!'TM

Equipped with conventional spark plugs, up to 15% of the combustion cycles in a modern engine end up in 'partial misfires.' SplitFire's larger flame kernel helps reduce partial misfires, and experts say it helps improve:

PERFORMANCE ECONOMY

More horsepower More M.P.G.

. . . . . .

EMISSIONS

Lower emissions

. . .

Improved combustion efficiency means that a higher percentage of fuel is converted to power, not partially-burned exhaust. Higher efficiency means you get more out of every ounce of fuel, so you use less of it."

(Exhibit A, consumer brochure)

"CONSUMER RESEARCH RESULTS

SplitFire conducts continuous consumer surveys to constantly monitor 'real life' performance in all vehicle types, coast-to-coast.

. . .
 

waterinthefuel

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Please keep this thread on topic. This thread is about E3 sparkplugs, not splitfires. Posting stuff about splitfires has nothing to do with E3's.

By all means Bruce, post the links. If there are dozens, then finding links shouldn't be hard!
 

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All of the bogus claims made by these sparkplug companies end the same. Every couple of years a "new" design comes out that will revolutionize the industry. Don't you think that if there was another way to design an electrode that would improve performance the major companies in the industry would have stumbled on to it by now.

You can insert many products in the place of sparkplug. Fuel treatments, oil, oil treatments, mileage improving products, like magnets, that turbo thingy you put in the air filter housing, pellets you put in the fuel, etc.

Miracle claims, anecdotal testimonies, no scientific testing or proof, lots of people falling for the claims and paying top dollar for a cheap product, then come the lawsuits and the product fades away. You surely must be old enough to have seen these scams before.
 

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All of the bogus claims made by these sparkplug companies end the same. Every couple of years a "new" design comes out that will revolutionize the industry. Don't you think that if there was another way to design an electrode that would improve performance the major companies in the industry would have stumbled on to it by now.

You can insert many products in the place of sparkplug. Fuel treatments, oil, oil treatments, mileage improving products, like magnets, that turbo thingy you put in the air filter housing, pellets you put in the fuel, etc.

Miracle claims, anecdotal testimonies, no scientific testing or proof, lots of people falling for the claims and paying top dollar for a cheap product, then come the lawsuits and the product fades away. You surely must be old enough to have seen these scams before.

I agree, this kind of thing comes around all too often and has no positive results.

I believe waterinthefuel saw a benefit in his particular engine setup. I would like to find out if I would see any benefit from this spark plug. Especiialy since the company claims an increased benefit for 2-stroke motors.

I'm totally willing to "take one for the team" and spend the 20 bucks on these plugs. I'll make every effort to ensure I get an accurate result. Saving fuel means saving money for me..I burn about 500 gallons a season so a 5% fuel savings would pay for the plugs 5 times over. (local fuel prices).

Doesn't matter if the results show no improvement, worse performance or better performance I will post my results. How about that. I'm open to anyone's suggestion on how to make the test more impartial and fair.


Cheers~!
 

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I believe waterinthefuel saw a benefit in his particular engine setup.

I believe waterinthefuel needed a tune up badly. This is the only reason he saw an increase in MPG and engine performance. He would have likely saw the same results if he used NGK or AC plugs....EDIT
 
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I think the E3,s spark plugs may work better due to the three tips which eliminates the need to index your plugs. I think if you indexed regular plugs you would get the same results. Old school performance tip.
 

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Indexing a plug positions the electrode out of the way of the new charge so it ignites better. This design would have even more potential to block the spark from the flow, as there are three large posts that meet and form a partial ring around the top. It covers (blocks) much more surface area than a standard design.
 

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I think we need to end this quickly before one of the oil companies sees this,buys up the technology, and puts it on the shelf beside the 150 MPG carburetor that never got to market....:rolleyes:
 

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I think we need to end this quickly before one of the oil companies sees this,buys up the technology, and puts it on the shelf beside the 150 MPG carburetor that never got to market....:rolleyes:

yeah, right beside the NiMh battery technology for the electric cars. *cough chevron *cough:)
 

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Any patents on those batteries would have already expired, so if they existed with performance as claimed other companies could make them.
 

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Ya know I thought about this post and realized my 2008 Dodge Caravan with 80 000km wasn't running as well as it once did so I thought a plug change was in order even if the recommended plug change interval from the mfg was 100 000km.

Low and behold my economy improved and it runs much smoother than it used to after the plug change, first tank of fuel shows about a 10% increase in fuel economy too.

Replacement plugs were stock Mopar's...amazing!:D
 

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I believe waterinthefuel needed a tune up badly. This is the only reason he saw an increase in MPG and engine performance. He would have likely saw the same results if he used NGK or AC plugs.... I also believe he's stretched the truth a bit too.

This post has been reported. I don't take kindly to being called a liar.

That being said, I only had 32,000 miles on this truck when I changed them. Had I had 50000 miles then I'd have said yea, any plug would help. The engine doesn't need to be tuned up. It just needed better plugs. It got them.

How do you explain it getting BETTER mileage than it did when it was brand new? No one has yet to explain that. It had factory installed plugs, and got 22-24mpg in the city, 19 on the highway. That's all it ever got. I drove this truck on a 1000 mile trip to Florida. I think I know it's highway mileage. And that was in 2001, the truck is a 1997 model bought in Feb of 1997. How many ****ing times do I have to say this? And how can I say it and not be called a liar by some **** that doesn't know me from Adam?
 

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642mx, these were the findings of waterinthefuel. they may or may not stand in another setting. he is happy with his set up, and cared enough to share with us.

everyone calm down, and be pleasant.
 

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This post has been reported. I don't take kindly to being called a liar.

I didn't directly say you are a liar. Accept my appology if I hurt your feelings.

All I'm saying is no spark plug will increase your MPG by nearly 10. I've worked in shops, have a degree in Automotive Service Technologies, and I have a stack of certificates to prove my worth.
 

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642mx, these were the findings of waterinthefuel. they may or may not stand in another setting. he is happy with his set up, and cared enough to share with us.

everyone calm down, and be pleasant.

Sorry TD. I didn't mean to raise anyones blood pressure. ;)
 

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I almost missed this

Burning a hole in the piston with a hot plug? Hmm, do you know how that would occur? And I mean without googling it.
Very simple and basic knowledge. An internal combustion engine is designed to run at an optimal temperature, the plug is chosen to keep its temp in that range. A cold plug will dissipate too much heat and run cold, which can leave deposits and eventually fouls it. A plug that is too hot won't dissipate enough heat, this higher than desired temperature is directly over the piston and can melt a hole in it. running lean can do the same thing.

These scam spark plug companies don't have the money to offer as many heat ranges and styles of plug that a major company does, so they tend to cover more applications with the same one. This means there is much less of a chance of you actually getting a plug that is correct for your motor, it may be too hot or too cold and you have no way of knowing.
 
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