Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

[ba_50]

The model is 15GG-9004.

We found this motor at a garage sale and bought it for $10. After freeing everything else up we still can't get it to turn with the handle. Using PB Blaster and heat didn't work. From the looks of a diagram, th thrust washer and/or exhaust seal might be froze up. The bolt inside the bracket was loosend up. This motor was probably in salt water. Any suggestions on this one?

When I put gas in the tank it came right out the top of the float reservoir. The picture shows the float lock goes in the notch at the bottom of the inlet needle with the float on top. There isn't anything to stop the float from going up. Should there be one on top too?

I had it running for a few seconds.

Thanks.

 

[JasonAych]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

You have a 1951.

You may have to pull the lower leg off and try to pull it all apart. I believe there is a screw just under the mid section that clamps the leg to the shaft the goes through the mid section. Before you do this, I would keep spraying WD-40 for a few days. One of my 53 Sea Kings was also frozen and I just kept spraying it down, one on the way out the door in the morning and once on the way back in after work. Eventually is started moving.

As far as the carb goes, yes there is supposed to be a clip to holds the cork float from sliding. Kind of looks like a tiny bobby pin. On my 53 5 hp Sea King, there is a brass screw that holds the clip to the float. The inlet needle feeds through the center of the clip. The clip fits tightly and keeps the float from sliding. The cork float could also be saturated and/or no longer buoyant, test it out in a can of fuel. There are reports of fuel with ethanol (most gas stations have this now) decaying the cork. I have been using new cork or drying the old one out in the sun then sanding and sealing with a product called Seal All adhesive. I sort of paint it on with a small brush.

 

[steelespike]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

As described;there is a flat spring clip on the bottom of the float amd a bobby pin type on the top.

 

[F_R]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

Not meaning to be a total pessimist, but you may have a real problem on your hands. If it was used in salt water, it probably is stuck where it goes through the upper swivel bearing. You will have to take it apart to fix it. And therin lies the problem: You may have trouble getting the lower leg off. It is held from dropping off by a wedge style clamp with two bolts. You will see the bolts on the forward side, just below the steering swivel. Take the bottom one clear out and loosen the top one. Then the lower leg will pull right off. Yeah, right. It probably is corroded on also.

If you do get it off, then the next task is to get the crankcase extension tube out of the swivel bracket / bearings. Then remove the bearing and scrape the corrosion crud out from behind it, lube everything with waterproof marine grease and reassemble. Good luck. You are going to need it.

 

[ba_50]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

I am using the Gale 3hp diagram so maybe it is a little different than the Sea King. I don't remember a top pin being on the shaft but will check parts again. The exhaust leg came off with some effort. Knowing that only bottom screw comes out simplifies things. The prop didn't come off. I just hope the water pump works.

I'm not sure what FR means by extension leg, unless it is the bare part the exhaust leg goes over.

The Gale diagram shows an upper bearing. Is that the one that might be froze.

The Seal all idea for the float sounds good. Apparently the weight doesn't effect the operation.

These things can drive one insane. I've been trying to get a Johnson 9.9 with 20 hours on it running right and ran out of ideas. That's a different story.

 

[JasonAych]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

Gale, a Division of OMC (evinrude and johnson), made Sea King as well as Royal, Sea Flyer, Hiawatha, and a few others from that era. Mechanically they are usually identical.

As far as the Seal All goes, it is working well with the outboards I did. The key is making sure you have a dry cork. You can thin out the Seal All with MEK thinner (hardware store). They used to shellac the cork floats so the weight is not an issue. Problem is ethanol dissolves the shellac.

As far as the 2 clips on the inlet needle goes, I assure you they both should be there. Otherwise, like you already concluded yourself, the float just isn't going to do it's job. Look at a hardware store, you may be able to find some sort of clip that may work. Just make sure it is light weight. You probably can not buy new clips from marine store unless it is new old stock. You may even be able to get away with a really tight fitting o-ring.

Be careful of heat, don't over do it. You are dealing with aluminum and other softer metals. Maybe work on getting it running. The exhaust will heat it all up from the inside out. Make sure you are pumping water. You should get obvious spray/spitting from the exhaust slits.

F_R is very knowledgeable. However, all you can do is try. Not trying should not be an option

 

[JasonAych]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

I just looked at my part diagram for my 53 Sea King 5hp carburetor. They do not list the top clip as a separate part rather it is drawn on top of the cork float. Must have come with the float but not separate.

I drew an arrow in the image attached.

 

[F_R]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

Your Sea King is a Gale model 3D10.

The float clip is not shown as a separate part. It is merely a piece of spring wire bent in a hairpin shape and held to the float by a common wood screw.

What I referred to as a crankcase extension is the pivot tube that is cast integral with the crankcase. Part number 591026 "Crankcase and Drive Shaft Tube" on your parts list.

The liner bearing I referred to is part number 551626 "Absorber, Shock" on your parts list.

Glad you got the lower part off. That's half the battle. I took my last one off with a hacksaw.

Sorry about the language barrier.

 

[ba_50]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

Your Sea King is a Gale model 3D10.

The float clip is not shown as a separate part. It is merely a piece of spring wire bent in a hairpin shape and held to the float by a common wood screw.

What I referred to as a crankcase extension is the pivot tube that is cast integral with the crankcase. Part number 591026 "Crankcase and Drive Shaft Tube" on your parts list.

The liner bearing I referred to is part number 551626 "Absorber, Shock" on your parts list.

Glad you got the lower part off. That's half the battle. I took my last one off with a hacksaw.

Sorry about the language barrier.

It is more a knowledge barrier on my part. This Old Outboard Motor service manual, volume 1, starts with 3D11.
I do see the shock absorbers in the picture and will look tin the top section for them. It would be easier to get PB inside with the bottom section off.

 

[F_R]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

Here ya go:
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/frankr_photos/Pg4LowerUnitandBracket.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/frankr_photos/Pg3Powerhead.jpg

 

[ba_50]

Re: Sea King 3hp steering froze and float lock question

We brought the 3hp back to Illinois and used a torch on the middle leg. It is turning but is still rough.

Should it slide off or does something need to be disconnected? The diagram shows a bolt but it is either out or never was one.. My Dad took it apart.

Thanks.