transmission?

ericcarr2000

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Could any one tell me if im able to install a transmission in my 87 larson dc 190 with a 3.7 mercruiser?
Thanks in advance shipmates.
 

QC

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Re: transmission?

Well, not to be a smartarse, but you can do anything you want. But the question is why do you want to? I am going to leave this here for now although it is close to an engine question which belongs over in the I/O section. Give us some idea of what you really want to achieve and we'll do our best. I have to warn you though, most here will suggest that you don't spend much time or money on a 3.7 . . . Nothing wrong with keeping her going as long as all is good, but to spend a lot of money on that particular setup is usually not recommended ;)
 

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nothing wrong with a multi speed transmission on a boat but not practical for that application and as for the process of actually doing the conversion..... those who can generally don't need to ask....

You would need to do a bunch of fabrication/machine work of brackets and you would also need to cut out the floor in order to move the engine forward a couple feet and the rebuild it... You also could very possibly need to replace stringers too....
 

dan t.

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it is done,most drag boats use a tranny,GM powerglide,700r4,and Chrysler torqueflight 727 come to mind. lots of custom prep work to make them work. why not use a shifter prop. you need a lot more motor than a 3.7 to run a tranny, you would loose more hp to friction than you would gain in speed
 

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Re: transmission?

Could any one tell me if im able to install a transmission in my 87 larson dc 190 with a 3.7 mercruiser?
Thanks in advance shipmates.

Ayuh,... If you mean a multi-speed transmission,..?? Forget about it... It ain't happenin'...

If you mean it don't shift forward, nor reverse,...
You probably need a lower shift cable, or the outdrive is broken..
 

kenmyfam

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Yep, define to what extent you mean by transmission ??:confused:
 

ericcarr2000

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Im just wanting to get some lower RPM's out of my setup, thats all. I just recently, last week in fact, put a rebuilt, blueprinted, 3.7 back in her and was just looking for something to maybe shift one or two gears, thats all. I am very mechanically inclined, on automobiles that is. I just wasnt sure if this could even be done. Thanks for all the responses...
 

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Re: transmission?

too low of rpms in a boat is a very bad thing! boat tuning is an entirely different world than cars. in a car you don't drive around holding WOT the entire time with the RPM's locked at a specific value. In a boat you want your max rpms at WOT to be high enough you aren't lugging the engine down and are well into your power band for the engine.

if you are truly turning to many rpm's, just get a different prop with higher pitch.
 

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Ayuh,.. What Smokin' said,... Lugging will turn your New motor into an Anchor in a matter of minutes...
 

ericcarr2000

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So what do you recommend on getting a little more power out of her? Right now I currently am running my 3.7 with a alpha one out drive with a 24 pitch stainless steel 4 blade prop. Any suggestions?
Thanks alot.
 

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So what do you recommend on getting a little more power out of her? Right now I currently am running my 3.7 with a alpha one out drive with a 24 pitch stainless steel 4 blade prop. Any suggestions?
Thanks alot.

What is your RPM at WOT ???
 

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you want more power....... get a bigger engine... sorry....

we need the rpm with the new engine ..... the old one no longer matters
 

QC

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3.7 with a alpha one out drive with a 24 pitch stainless steel 4 blade prop.
I am surprised you are pulling a 24" with a 3.7. Yes we need data and lots of it. WOT RPM, GPS speed and gear ratio to start, all current. Only way we are going to be able to help you zero in on it.
 

ericcarr2000

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The boat itself isnt a 24 foot, its a 20 foot and just as soon as I get it in the boat and running tip top shape, Ill let you know, thanks again.
 

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Also, why is it NOT recommended I spend $$$ on this particular setup? From what I understand, some on here say that the 3.7 is a junk motor, why is that?
 

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I am surprised you are pulling a 24" with a 3.7. Yes we need data and lots of it. WOT RPM, GPS speed and gear ratio to start, all current. Only way we are going to be able to help you zero in on it.


GPS speed in 2 - 3 different directions....
 

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Re: transmission?

Also, why is it NOT recommended I spend $$$ on this particular setup? From what I understand, some on here say that the 3.7 is a junk motor, why is that?

Bad rep for power/performance/reliability/flexibility/etc.

We are surprised you have a 24-inch PROP, not a 24-foot boat. A poster above said 24"... as in pitch... as in prop size/etc.

Sounds kind of big to me, when I am running a 24 pitch prop bolted on to 425 horsepower. Sounds like a darn big prop for your boat. You are ''over propped". Prop is so darn big/aggressive the l'il ol' engine ya got cannot push it past 4200 rpm. That means as much as 20% of the power is missing, and hurting fuel economy and top speed to boot. It takes all an engine has to offer to reach redline. You are risking 'lugging' the engine. The internals are under TREMENDOUS stress when you are over propped. You risk your engine go to pieces.

Get a smaller prop. Ya got lots of prop reading to do. Start searching. Use the iboats prop locator tool, too. Don't mess around or ask about anything until you test the current motor and prop combo, and report back on top speeds and max engine RPM. Report the fuel, gear and people load when testing on your runs, too.

You need some sea trials and to come back with the details requested. Then head over to the prop forum.
 

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Re: transmission?

From what I understand, some on here say that the 3.7 is a junk motor, why is that?

Ayuh,... Because it's an open deck design aluminum block,+ a cast iron head...
Go down to the I/O forum,+ search "470"... You'll be reading for Days...
 

QC

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Re: transmission?

eric,

Let me try and summarize this for you. You asked about a tranny and it appears you wanted to bring RPM down at high speeds. If you are searching for power which could mean you want better performance out of the hole (acceleration) then a tranny would be used to get more RPM early. The same is accomplished with a lower pitch prop. Say 17" or 19" etc. A 24" is usually considered a high speed prop and is not typical in less than 300 bhp applications.

However . . . this brings us to gear ratio. Although I do not think this is your situation because it is simply not available, a high numeric ratio like 3:1 could explain the 24". Lower gearing (high numeric ratio) could allow a small engine to spin more pitch. It is not right, but it might work. I highly doubt this is what's going on ;)

Sooooo . . . this leads me to believe that you have too much pitch which should make her very slow to get up and go, and would also make her slow at top speed. I am also guessing this is why you thought about a transmission. Due to your automotive background you maybe thought "if I can downshift, I could get her going better, and then up shift to run faster at higher speeds." But this is where I believe you are going wrong . . .

With a boat, you just need to think of a heavily loaded vehicle going up hill with a single gear. What you want is gearing that will allow you start the vehicle rolling and then get to max speed (up the hill). Since your gear ratio is fixed (inside the Alpha although there are different ratios typically for 4, 6 and 8 cyl) the only way to fine tune is with prop pitch. A 24" would be like using tall tires on a four banger Toyota pickup to pull a heavy load uphill. Bad choice.

The only way we can know this is to get your top speed at Wide Open Throttle (WOT). Test this with a typical load and trimmed properly for max speed. Your Tach has to be dead nuts accurate and speed must be dead nuts accurate (GPS). We need the gear ratio to confirm all of this, but if the other three are right (speed, RPM and pitch) we can make some reasonable recommendations.

What will never happen is making the 3.7 more powerful. If she is running properly, there is not anything reasonable you can do. Funny enough we say similar things about V8s even although there are some major exceptions. Generally speaking Marine engines are limited in their ability to make more power due to the fact that they have water near exhaust ports. Radical cams cause water to get sucked in, so it is generally recommended to put the street mod thinking away. Unless you can get more air to her (blower) you are limited.

Annnnnnndddddddd, despite the fact that I hate to be the bearer of bad news, the 470 (3.7) is just not considered a good engine to throw money at. You can wish it was all day long, and a good running one with proper maintenance may lead to many, many happy days on the water. But it is generally accepted, even by the people who made it, that you should not spend money on them once they go bad.

So get us the data, and we'll help you dial her in. But people here will never recommend that you try and make what is at best a 150 bhp (flywheel) setup anything more than that. Just not going to happen.
 
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