Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

diesel5599

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Sep 4, 2006
Messages
169
OK so I just got back from having the 100hr service performed on my twin Yamaha F150 4 strokes. Just as I was leaving the manager asked me if I knew about ethanol in the local gasoline supply and what it was doing to outboards.

He showed me fuel lines that were eaten away from the inside in less than 100hrs of service, fuel water separators with seals that had been eaten away, a gas tank that was full of pieces of fuel line line, a fuel pump that was corroded almost beyond recognition, and $2100.00 worth of injectors that were ruined; all from a boat that had been running for only 100hrs since the last service.

His strong suggestion was to use one pint of two stroke oil per 10 gallons of fuel even though I have 4 stroke engines!! He said his shop had called Yamaha as more and more boat owners were needing thousands in repairs and Yamaha had no official answer, but unofficially condoned using the mixture that he mentioned.

He said that they reached that conclusion because none of the two strokes that had came through had the corrosion problem and the oil is creating a thin coat between the ethenol and the lines/injectors/seals etc.

Two stroke oil is so expensive ($25/bottle) that I asked if I could use maybe one per 20 gallons and he said it should be OK, its better than nothing. So I poured about 3/4 of a gallon of the stuff in my 140 gallon tank.

I don't know if this applies to I/O's as well, I would think it would since there's no oil in that fuel either. He did state that marina's that sell 90 octane 'marine ready' fuel do not contain ethenol. Neither option is cheap and as usual it looks like the cost of boating just went up yet again.
 

dingbat

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Nov 20, 2001
Messages
16,313
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

I know at least 6 guys running F150s and larger. We?ve been 100% E-10 around here going on 5 years. No problems with fuel lines.

Most problems brought on by lack of maintenance of the fuel system. Internal filters need inspected, cleaned and changed regularly. A lot of guys have changed over to Yamaha 2 um fuel filters. Most swear by ring free even in 4 strokes.
 

Bob_VT

Moderator & Unofficial iBoats Historian
Staff member
Joined
May 19, 2001
Messages
26,065
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

If you read your owner's manual you will see the motors were designed to run on modern fuel. I feel that the manager was throwing a sales pitch at you...... plain and simple he was selling doom and gloom.
 

diesel5599

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Sep 4, 2006
Messages
169
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

Well I made sure not to buy the two stroke oil there, but I will call Yamaha today just to double check. My engines are 3yrs old the last thing I want to do is come up with $21K to replace them.

At $25/bottle there's no way I want to use the oil if I can help it.
 

H20Rat

Vice Admiral
Joined
Mar 8, 2009
Messages
5,204
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

if a 3 year old engine can't withstand 10% ethanol, I'd be on the phone to yamaha INSTANTLY asking for a reason, or replacement with an engine that can. It is actually much harder to find fuel lines and equipment that is NOT ethanol safe than stuff that is.
 

Home Cookin'

Fleet Admiral
Joined
May 26, 2009
Messages
9,715
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

his story is true as to OLDER motors, tanks and fuel lines. 4 strokes are relatively new and their lines should be ethanol proof, likewise any decent boat made in recent times.

Here's the big hint: a fuel water seperator seal could not be 'eaten away' unless it was left dipped in the stuff for several years. He is describnig a poorly maintained old boat with bad fuel, untreated at that. My BS meter is pegged to the right side--and I am a certified E-10 hater myself!
 

Philster

Captain
Joined
Sep 15, 2009
Messages
3,344
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

He's nuts. I'd rather not use ethanol, but it's not the doom and gloom he mentioned, and the need for 2-stroke oil? You don't need the 2-stroke oil.

Now, if you do let fuel sit for a few weeks, and it has ethanol in it, you should be in the practice of adding a product like "Stabil" that treats ethanol to it. If you use the fuel weekly there is hardly a need to worry about it... but...

I can't imagine pumping my tank full of fuel and not treating it. It's a damn boat, in bad environs, and it might sit for a while. One never knows, so I add Stabil. I don't trust marina fuel tanks. Lawd knows what condition they are in. My line of defense is treating the fuel and investing in fuel filters.
 

JoLin

Vice Admiral
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Messages
5,146
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

Dealer's shovelling a lot of manure. Not only is he giving you false info regarding the effect of ethanol on a modern engine, but he's advising you to do something (add oil to your fuel) that's almost guaranteed to CAUSE you trouble.

The man's an idiot.
 

Silvertip

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Sep 22, 2003
Messages
28,771
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

What was this dude trying to sell you -- beside a healthy ration of doom & gloom? We in Minnesota have been using E10 since 1997 without major issues. Times change and technology changes. If you don't compensate for those changes or adapt to them you will have issues regardless what vehicle, boat, engine, computer, GPS or whatever you have. There is no way engineers in 1950 could predict that the engine they designed back then would have to run on E10. Fact is, it will run just fine provided you understand that fuel lines, carbs, and the fuel tank may need to be cleaned because ethanol is an excellent fuel system cleaner and will deposit the gunk in places it isn't supposed to be. Then this supposed "mechanic" suggests adding oil to the fuel on an engine which is not supposed to have oil passing through the injectors (four strokes). I'd be looking for a different mechanic.
 

180shabah

Rear Admiral
Joined
Mar 26, 2005
Messages
4,995
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

BS - nothing more...
 

capt sam

Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Jan 14, 2009
Messages
878
Re: Ethanol In Gasoline Eating Fuel Lines / Injectors / Etc In 4 Stoke OBs!!

I haven't heard the two stroke oil story either, sounds pretty sketchy to me. Most of the issues are from when people switch from non E10 to E10 and alot of crap gets loosened in the fuel system. Run a 10 micron fuel filter and a stabilizer if she's gonna sit.
 
Top