'99 ficht 225 hard starting

[tylerr83]

I have a 99 evinrude ficht 225 that starts really hard. once the motor is warmed up, it runs great, and will start right back up after being shut off. i've heard that the motor needs a lot of battery power to turn over, but i dont think my batteries are the problem. my batteries are less than a year old, and have a full charge, and all my wires/connections are good. When i try to start the motor, it turns over easily but wont catch. the fuel pump comes on when the key is turned, and they spark plugs are new and properly gapped. i've read that a possible cause of this would be a temperature sensor? is this a problem anyone else has had or can anyone think of any possibler causes

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

what is fuel pressure??
Any service codes??
Crankshaft position sensor air gap?
Cranking rpm?
Does your model have an s.a.c. (start assist circuit)?
Air temp reading close to actual?
Do you have good compression\cylinder leak down on all 6?
Do you have a lap top and diagnostics program?
Wayne

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

Does giving it throttle help?
Wayne

 

[tylerr83]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

wayne,
thanks for the response....to be honest i'm not sure about a lot of what you're asking regarding fuel pressure, air temp, cranking rpm etc... i dont even know how to find these things. BUT....to answer your last question....YES giving it throttle does help which i dont understand because its injected...with a carburerated motor i could understand that helping, but with an injected motor i dont understand how this could make a difference.

thanks for any input,

tyler

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

Sometimes if giving it throttle helps its a sign the voltage regulator is not providing the 40 volts necessary to run the system...time to take it in for friendly BRP service.
Could be a stator emm problem loose wire etc. parts are expensive,therefore take it to a dealer for diagnosis.
Wayne

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

Where are located? I could may recommend a dealer.
Wayne

 

[tylerr83]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

i live in essex, ct. recently had the emm sent for repair out by atlantic outboard (evinrude dealer) in westbrook. that is the closest dealer/service center i'm aware of.

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

i live in essex, ct. recently had the emm sent for repair out by atlantic outboard (evinrude dealer) in westbrook. that is the closest dealer/service center i'm aware of.

Did any one set timing when emm was reinstalled? A necessary service proceedure.
Did problem start right after emm replacement\service?
Contact BRP tech service for a dealer near you.
What is your model number?
Wayne

 

[tylerr83]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

one more bit of info...on occasion the motor will stall when being put into gear, especially when not warm. when cold starting itll often start and run for a few seconds then stall if the throttle is not opened partially. i've been told (not sure how accurate this is) that this is often caused by fouled or improperly gapped plugs, but mine are new and gapped to 0.28. is there any truth to that, or is this further indicative of an issue with the stator?

another question....i thought that the rectifier/startor worked together the same way an alternator woudl in a car motor, or is that incorrect?

Thanks,
tyler

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

motor has one stator\alternator split in two... one side runs 12volt stuff and charges battery...other side runs 40volt stuff injectors specially. if you have low voltage to the 40 volt side they are hard to start.Regulator is built into the emm (thats why you need diagnostics program)
Also make sure engine is warming up both sides within 10 degrees f and heads are warm also.
I am assuming fuel is fresh and your using xd-50 oil or better?
Wayne

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

Also tps adjustment is critical not sure but I think you adjust throttle cable until you get .5volts actual.
Wayne

 

[tylerr83]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

fuel is fresh, and the only oil i've ever used is xd50. a friend mentioned something about the diagnostic program to me but wasn't clear on details. is this something i can easily get from the dealer? and roughly how much do they cost?

 

[marinemech1]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

Dealers probably won't supply diagnostics program as they are copy write material.
If you somehow? managed to get a copy you also need the connection harness (around $60.00 cdn.).
Wayne

 

[tylerr83]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

another little bit of info on the starting issue....i read some other posts with similar symptoms to mine....heres another wrinkle to this....i have a full charge on my batteries with good connections, including to the motor. i have good voltage at the starter post when cranking but it does seem that its cranking slowly? when it does start it seems that it'll turn over faster just before it catches. sometimes it'll do that a few times and fire for a second before it'll light off and continue to idle. is this also indicative of the stator not creating enough voltage, or could it be a startor problem? any way to test the stator, or am i pretty much stuck having to bite the bullet and visit an evinrude dealer. (i'm not so much concerned about the cost....i spoke with them two days ago and they told me they're so backed up that even if i make an apointment right away i probably wont get looked at for a month or so).

 

[tylerr83]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

another little bit of info on the starting issue....i read some other posts with similar symptoms to mine......i have a full charge on my batteries with good connections, including to the motor. i have good voltage at the starter post when cranking but it does seem that its cranking slowly? when it does start it seems that it'll turn over faster just before it catches. sometimes it'll do that a few times and fire for a second before it'll light off and continue to idle. is this also indicative of the stator not creating enough voltage, or could it be a startor problem? any way to test the stator, or am i pretty much stuck having to bite the bullet and visit an evinrude dealer. (i'm not so much concerned about the cost....i spoke with them two days ago and they told me they're so backed up that even if i make an apointment right away i probably wont get looked at for a month or so).

 

[26Negus]

Re: '99 ficht 225 hard starting

Did you solve this problem? I have twin 225's and my port engine has the same issue. It fires up and a couple of seconds later it idles way down and then stalls. Hard to start but after it is warm it fires off easily. Occasionally it will stall at idle but fires right back up. I have swapped the following with the starboard engine but it didn't fix the problem, fuel filters, hp fuel pump/vapor seperator, emm. Engine has fresh plugs (indexed and gapped), and fresh pure fuel. Upstream Racor water seperator is new. Battery is new and spins the engine easily. Thanks in advance!