Help please!!!

Pearlcrx

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Brand new to the boat market and forum. HELLO ALL!!!! What I am looking for is 2 different boats.
If my buddy and me go in together we are looking for a ready to go wakeboard boat (new as possible, tower, speakers, board racks, clean, cared for, ballasts, possibly a wedge as well) max $25000.
Otherwise I would be looking for a less then $10000 boat, (new as possible, has a tower or can add one, use for crusing and wakeboarding, best gas mileage, and must have an open bow.)

You guys got any suggestions on either??? I am somewhat aware of boat brands, I just haven't found much on boat trader, or forums, or even repo locations.
 

brick75

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Re: Help please!!!

Well, as far as ready to go wakeboats with all the trimmings, your best bet is Natique and Mastercraft. But with anything labeled "best" comes cost. You'd probably have a hard time finding one out there that isn't ancient or missing a lot of what you're wanting for $25k.

I have seen some of the other brands (MB, Moomba, Sanger, Malibu) for a bit less. You'd probably be looking at one that is at least 7-8 years old to get it down to your price. If there's any way you could scrape together another $5k, you'd have a lot better luck finding something in this area.

If you had to go with your second option, just be sure that you're getting a V6 (or V8) engine. You'll appreciate that when pulling a wakeboarder out of the water, especially if you've got other people in the boat. With these, I'd just recommend avoiding Bayliner and Maxum if possible. These brands have historically been rated low by consumers (JD Power).

Have you checked Craigslist? You'd need to be in or near a large city, but that's where most people are selling boats these days.
 

Pearlcrx

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Re: Help please!!!

We are not bound by location. We are willing to fly wherever and trailer back. If we combine, he is giving me half in cash up front with 2 years of payment and all i'm doing is providing the credit to get the loan.

I was thinking something in the 98-04 range of a boat anyway. There has to be people struggling to afford there boats in this economy!
 

splicer

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It doesn't matter how good of friends you are now, doing business together is going to cause problems. Who owns the boat, and what if one of you can't make payments anymore? How will you handle maintenance, and what if he doesn't wnat to pay for it? Which is more important to you, getting a boat, or keeping a friend?
 

ThreeMileBayWaker

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I was thinking something in the 98-04 range of a boat anyway. There has to be people struggling to afford there boats in this economy!

I'm turning 24 and I got a loan for $30k for my new boat no problem. Every option available on my boat too... ha ha. Its funny how a boat which stickers base at $23,900 went to $29,898 with options. I'm still waiting for the sucker to come in tho, thats killing me.
 

kyle f

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Re: Help please!!!

Well, as far as ready to go wakeboats with all the trimmings, your best bet is Natique and Mastercraft. But with anything labeled "best" comes cost. You'd probably have a hard time finding one out there that isn't ancient or missing a lot of what you're wanting for $25k.

I have seen some of the other brands (MB, Moomba, Sanger, Malibu) for a bit less.

Bla, there is nothing "less" about a Malibu, MB or Supra. Build quality is probably the best in an MB seeing how they are not massed produced, everythign is hand laid. Look it up. Build quality is why I bought an MB, and Malibu or Mastercraft were my other options, but got the best deal on an MB.

You are asking a tall order to find a good, well cared for V-Drive under $25,000 from anyone but Moomba. Moomba is the entry level wake boat, and serve most people very well. DOn't be scared off by them by any means. The engine is still the Indimar you find in many other boats.
 

brick75

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Bla, there is nothing "less" about a Malibu, MB or Supra. Build quality is probably the best in an MB seeing how they are not massed produced, everythign is hand laid. Look it up. Build quality is why I bought an MB, and Malibu or Mastercraft were my other options, but got the best deal on an MB.


Just because something is hand laid doesn't mean it's better. Humans are more prone to making mistakes than machines are. It's really in the specs and materials. Besides, I wasn't implying that these other brands aren't great boats. If you read what I said, the word less was in reference to price not quality. Didn't mean to offend you, I'm sure your boat is awesome.
 

sebber83

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Re: Help please!!!

I agree with KyleF, if you want to save money and go entry level, go for the Moomba, it'll be perfect for your needs, kick up a great wake and last for years, without the premium price tag. I had looked at them very long before going with a Bow Rider i/o because of the various waterways we use to cruise and ride. Definetly have a deep look into moomba's!
 

kyle f

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Just look at it like this on a Moomba, MB's Vinyl warranty is longer than the Hull and Deck warranty on the Moomba. The Price's reflects this. Other things come into play as well, like a lifetime warranty on the gages in an MB. Sometimes you are paying for the cost of the insurance of someone standing behind their product. Some of the extra cost are bells and whistles that can have zero effect on the performance of the boat.

Moombas have a great wake and a good drivetrain. Most of the time the sacrafice is made in lesser grade materials and non premium accessories. Which may or may not be as important to you as it is to others. Just something you have to answer for yourself. Being in a Moomba V-Drive was what got me interested in this style of boat. Love the seating arrangement and storage when we were out on the water.

Consider the factory stereo set up alone in my boat would run you about $5K if you bought it all retail, plus the trailer came with a color matched paint job (yellow & Black), upgraded wheel/tire package, LED lighting... all of which has nothing to do with the performance of the boat, but I would be lieing if I didn't say the stereo contributes to my enjoyment of the boat.

Some things you get in newer Supras, Mastercrafts, and Malibus that is really un needed is an LCD displays, GPS, and USB prewiring for tower cams. All really nice to have, but is it really soemthign you want to pay for?
 

Pearlcrx

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Re: Help please!!!

Ok, my buddy and I found a really nice 05 Supra for 18k. Which he thinks he can come up with on his own in a week or so. Which was sort of disappointing until he told me I could have a set of keys for stepping up when nobody else would. Free boat with no obligation!!!!! :)

But..... I am thinking I want my own boat still. But the more I am reading about boats and there need to be ran weekly is scaring me off. I am super busy and 30 mins. from a lake. I dont see me getting out there but 4-5 times a month. Maybe more. Is this really that big of a deal?

If not.... I do want to buy a boat (soon, I hope), I want to spend under 10k. And want a nice boat for at least 6 people. Open bow. And as much reliablity as possible. I know I probably wont find any with a wakeboarding set-up but just want the ability to modify it. Can any boat take a wedge or ballasts?? Is there certain boats that allowing more availiable modding then others??? Cheaper mods?? Like the Honda Civic of the boat world???
 

craze1cars

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But the more I am reading about boats and there need to be ran weekly is scaring me off.

Huh? Never heard this in my life...at least not from anyone knowledgeable on engines and things mechanical. Granted it's good to keep things moving once in a while to keep stuff lubricated and rust-free internally. But weekly is FAR more frequent than necessary to keep that done. What do the people who say that do with their boats during the 6 month ICE season that impacts the majority of this country? Start them on muffs weekly? No.

Just Keep the fuel stabilized so it doesn't turn rank between uses, and disconnect the battery so it doesn't drain down...charge it up on occasion. Use the boat enough to burn thru a full tank of gas once or twice a year, do the necessary annual oil change and other required maintenance, and it'll last absolutely forever....

In fact yours will last MUCH LONGER than the ones run every single week becuase it won't get the wear-and-tear theirs will. ESPECIALLY if you have the ability to keep it stored OUT of the water and indoors...

As for your other questions. ANY boat can be fitted effectively with tower, ballast, and Perfect-pass. Those add-ons cost exactly the same no matter what brand boat you try to fit them on. I/O's won't take the "wedge" thing, but I don't think that's critical anyway. In that price range, you're looking for the typical used 20 to 22 foot bowrider with V-8 power. Mercruiser or Volvo I/O. I would strongly recommend you try to get a Vortec motor for better/smoother running, better fuel economy, and notably more horsepower per cubic inch...Vortec is pretty much any built after approx 1996 if memory serves...and there is a substantial difference when compared with the pre-vortec powerplants. If you must go older for your pricerange and get a pre-Vortec, I would accept nothing smaller than a 5.7L motor. In Vortecs you can get by very very well with 5.0's and even 4.3's (though 4.3 is questionable if you're gonna load it with ballast) depending on boat size...the vortecs really are that much stronger.

To be sure:

If the motor has valve covers secured with 4 bolts in the center like this:
http://www.kevkoracing.com/images/VC215_full.gif
It's a Vortec.

If it has valve covers secured with bolts on the perimeter like this:
http://www.pawinc.com/Images/Parts/Proform/Large/141-141.jpg
It's NOT a Vortec.

EFI versions are stronger yet...but more expensive. In your sub $10K range you'll be looking at carb'd boats I'm sure, and there's nothing wrong with that at all...can be tuned to run 99% as good as an EFI by a good mechanic.
 

Pearlcrx

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Re: Help please!!!

Thank you for some positive feedback! Almost everybody I talk to always talking negative about boat ownership. I am glad about the usage fact. Is it that big of a deal if I have to keep it outside instead of inside?

What's my best bet on boat manufacturers?
Are they all about the same, and I should just focus on motor set-up?
What is the best motor/drive set-up? drive layout?
Is it usually cheaper to buy a boat with a tower already then to add one?
Will a 3.0L do what I need?

Sorry for all my questions. I am getting ever so close to my first boat purchase!
 

craze1cars

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Keeping a boat outside is fine, but it's more difficult to keep dry. Water is a boat's worst enemy. Needs to be kept covered so rain can't get in, and ventilated so any water that is already in the seat cusions/carpet/stringers (a HUGE issue on watersports boats where the interior gets wet during every use) can quickly evaporate out. The ventilated part is often the most challenging, as a covered boat often traps moisture and later has the potential to cause serious interior rot and mildew problems. Frankly I feel some people's covering methods are more damaging to a boat than if they were to just leave the cover off and let the interior be exposed to the elements every day. At least when it's left open it can dry out in-between rainstorms. But then the sun eats it up. Smart storage is a whole other topic. Get a boat first.

In your price range, I don't think boat brand name matters much. There are hundreds and hundreds of brands. Too much to discuss. For you I say it will be all about condition. Just shop for the boat in the best physical condition, with the largest motor you can afford, within your under $10,000 budget.

3.0L boats in your price range will be a dime a dozen. You can do better. And if you own one for a while, I think you'll eventually figure out why so many of them are for sale for so cheap. So I'd personally recommend skipping a 3.0L motor, strictly based on all your first questions. ESPECIALLY if you intend to run ballast to get a bigger wake. It just won't have enough HP to push a bonus 1,500 pound around while trying to ski and/or wakeboard.

That said, I oersonally owned, skied, and wakeboarded EXTENSIVELY behind an 18 ft 3.0L Rinker for about 6 years before upgrading. It did the job. But my buddies bigger and more powerful boats did it MUCH better, and I ALWAYS wanted to upgrade. And after I finally did, WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! So to others I will always say skip the 3.0L and go straight to something bigger right out of the gate. I think 4.3L at an absolute minimum. And I still think 5.0 and 5.7 is much smarter if you have every intention to option up this boat with tower and ballast like you have said. You'll be stretching your budget though.

Towers can be added to any boat for between $600 and $3,000+. Most do-it-yourselfers seem to add one in the under $1,500 range. Add a few hundred if you plan to pay someone to install it. But it all depends on brand name, quality, and how many accessories you want to add to the tower. Few boats in your price range will be equipped with a tower from the get-go...but maybe you'll get lucky. So use that price range as a guide while you shop. The tower will be another completely different shopping and researching adventure for you. Again, just get a boat first! LOL.

As for your other questions about engine/drive recommendations, I pretty well answered them in my first response. In a perfect world, you can find a 20 to 22 footer with Mercruiser or Volvo I/O, 5.0L or larger, Vortec (96-ish and newer). Steer AWAY from early OMC outdrives. Out of business, difficult to service and get parts for. Therefore they're cheaper and you may find a few in your price range. Then again the last-built OMC outdrives (sometime in the mid-90's?) are actually Volvo SX's with different stickers...they're fine, and can still be serviced easily and are not a problem.

If you find specific boat you are considering, I suggest you ask a new question about it over in the general boating and/or the Mercruiser/Volvo subforums about things to check and whether or not it is a good model. You'll get many more knowledgeable responses over there than you will here in the Wakeboarding forum.

Above all, never forget that my opinions are nothing more than my opinions. Others will vary and maybe flat-out disagree with me, and ultimately only YOU know what you will want. Happy shopping!
 

Pearlcrx

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Damn, I found the perfect boat for me. It was a pristine 98 Tige Pre2002 LOADED! For $14,000, but it was almost $3k to get it from Cali over the NC. I know now that you can get a loaded boat for a good price.
 

craze1cars

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LOL!!! And only $7K over budget.

Now if I knew you were willing to spend as much as $17K, I would never have bothered making ANY of the recommendations I made above...you've launched into a completely different market. And I think it was smart to do so on your part if you can afford it. It's always best to just skip the "starter boat" whenever financially possible, and go straight to the one you want right away...

That sounds great, and I'm sure you'll enjoy it very much. Those Tige's are sweet boats. A hearty congratulations, and let us know how it works out for you after you've run it a few times!
 
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