Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

2stroke1971

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Preface: Im sure lots of you have been in worse situations, but this was my personal worst.

I took my old Bayliner (19 foot cuddy) out at Hooper's Island on Friday. Hoopers is on the Chesapeake, and its a narrow strip of land thats out in the middle of some big water. We must have made 50 or 60 trips to Hoopers without a boat, fishing from the roadside as people do, but this was only the second time I had a boat out here. Alot of things went wrong to culminate in what became a bad situation. I made some rookie mistakes but learned alot as well.

I knew bad weather (4 footers) was coming that night, but I Was going to try to get some trolling in out at Hoopers light. We were a bit late getting in the water. We made the trip from launch to the big bridge in 15 minutes or so, cruising 3/4 throttle the whole way. Once you pass under the bridge, the light is about 10 minutes further out.

Things were a bit dicey out there, white caps rolling, and about half way to the light we encountered a series of big waves, so my wife and I decided to head back under the bridge Figured we'd try for some perch or croaker instead. Back under the bridge, it was a bit calmer, although still choppy.

While fishing there, a bigger boat came along, and he headed out under the bridge. I felt a bit envious of this 28 footer as he went out, but after 10 minutes, here he came back under the bridge also! Felt a bit better about my boat, figured if this guy thought better of it, than I made the right choice in abandoning my trip to the light.

In any case, the sun was just setting and we decided to get on back to port, but the waves had really picked up and progress was slow. What had been a quick jaunt coming out from the ramp turned into a slow trip back. The boat was doing fine, although we started to get hit with alot of spray.
The front end dipped a few times, but its a cuddy and the water rolled off.

It got dark on the way back. I mean dark. Dark at hoopers is pitch black. Theres not much down there, you can see the milky way on a clear night. It all happened in a matter of minutes...it got really dark, and the waves got MUCH worse. The wind was kicking! We got disoriented, and we were not sure of our direction. The front end was dipping constantly, even though I was trying to run at them at an angle. Had it been the open bow model, we'd have swamped it quick. These were easily the worst waves Ive ever been in, and we couldnt really see them coming. We were getting sloshed over the windshield and our eyes were stinging, which added to the disorientation.

I started to panic a bit, which caused my wife to panic...I forced myself to get it together because I knew if we were BOTH a wreck it would not turn out well. We got the vests on, and turned on the radio just in case. We kept getting off course, or should I say, it seemed we were getting nowhere. NOTHING looked familiar, there were faint lights far away, a few red and green lights off in the distance, but nothing inviting. The closest thing to us were a set of bright lights on the shore, so I gritted my teeth and made for them. My wife didnt think that was the ramp, but I told her it didnt matter, I said "see those lights...thats where we are going..I dont care if its someones back yard or what, we are gonna tie up there and get the hell off the water!"

Even after we made this decision to make a run for these lights, it was another 20 minutes before we made it. I kept getting off course somehow..I almost ran aground several times as we got closer..the coast line there is irregular and marshy in spots...lots of shoals and nooks and crannies. Finally, the waves let up, I guess we were close enough to shore and had some land around us.

We tied up at this little seafood place, and got off the boat. I walked up the road and found a gentleman in his truck near a marina. He pointed the way to the ramp, which was only a little ways down the road, and then I asked him how to get there by water. He was kind enough to park his truck at the ramp and leave his headlights on so we could see where to head for. The trip from the seafood place to the ramp was easy enough, we hugged the shore and it only took 5 minutes or so.

My poor wife almost fell into the water trying to hold onto the boat with the ropes as I backed down the ramp. The current was BAD, even at the ramp.



WELL.

Things I learned: Dont plan a trip on the EDGE of bad weather! If you break down or are delayed unexpectedly, you wind up in that weather.

I NEED a flood light on the front if I am going back there, or any other similar area. (Dont get me wrong, we fish at night MOST of the time, but in areas where I can see landmarks easily, or just plain know the areas better)

I need to get a GPS! Set the ramp as a waypoint, and there you go.

Panic is a bad thing on the water. it was just creepy, the weather, the darkness, the disorientation...there was about 30 minutes in there that were pretty bad for us.


All in all, I cant complain about the boat. I know we hit some 4 footers out there, and she did pretty darned good.
 

scca vette

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

WOW! That was an interesting story. I am glad you and the wife made it back safe.
 

evil-fish

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

That is a great cautionary tale. Good job getting back intact. GPS is a great idea; get one that will do detailed maps. It sounds like your co pilot did a great job as well.
I tend to lose my nerve a lot quicker if I know there is not someone right there braving it with me.
 

JoLin

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Thanks for sharing! Good story, good job getting back. Nothing like getting into a situation like that to show you how easy it is to push the limits a little too far.

GPS is a great idea, but you should also have a compass and chart- and learn how to use them. Electronics fail at the worst possible moments.

Again, good job- glad it worked out for you and your wife.
 

Philster

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

I cannot resist: HOOOOPERRRR!!!!!!!!

Couple of points:

While it can take one mistake to be a statistic, whenever you hear about people turning into statistics, it's always a series of events. It usually takes multiple mistakes or a series of events to keep finding disaster. Your story is eerily similar to others in that regard.

GPS waypoints: When you do get a GPS, your waypoint positions along the route and you set the ramp as home. The GPS takes you point to point along a course. If the ramp is a waypoint, the GPS might point you straight there. At night, this is not-so-good. Chart it out so that you go waypoint to waypoint until you are home (ramp).

Thanks for sharing.
 

Bucks45

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Great story! Glad everything worked out!
 

karatejoe

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

good decissions. We went out Friday evening in the Gulf( Naples, Fl) the swells were 5 -6 feet at low tide. we turned around immediatley and headed back. We werent as lucky as you as we ran aground and were pounded by the waves.
One has got to learn to respect billions and billions of gallons of water. unless you are a fish.
I can relate to your fear of heading for the light no matter where it took you. I once was ready to jump on a bouy marker cause it seemed safer than the boat I was riding in.
 

dingbat

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

I?m glad you made back safely.

I?ve been fishing those waters for almost 35 years now. When younger, and a good bit more na?ve, I had my butt kicked more than a couple of times defying Mother Nature.

Here are a couple of other tidbits to ponder the next time you head out.

Know the tide like the back of your hand and how they affect the water around you. You're quick wave increase was the result of the tide change that evening. Wind against tide will double, sometimes triple the forecasted wave heights for that area.

Running in the Bay at night w/o radar is dangerous to say the least. I've been fishing that area for the past 3 weeks and it's loaded with crab pots. There have been numerous reports of a breakaway gill net drifting in the area as well. What would have happened had you wrapped a crab pot in your prop and was unable to maneuver in those conditions? Anchored from the stern, all it would have taken was one wave to swamp the boat.

There was a weather advisory posted for that evening. Don't make the decision to leave the dock based on the pretense of beating the weather back to port. You leave port knowing full well what you would be facing should you get caught and have the faith in your boat, and your skills as a Captain, to get your crew safely back to the dock under the conditions.
 

ovrrdrive

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Sounds like one hell of a night. Don't let it break you though. After a few good daylight trips you'll feel better about this one. Two things I have that would have turned the night around for you is a hand held 1.5mCP spotlight and a GPS with the trails turned on. If I come in after dark I just stay on the trail I made going out and coming back in is a no brainer.

Live and learn. You'll do better next time.
 

DianneB

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Ooooo I LOVE a good storm story (especially one with a happy ending)!

I don't want to hijack your thread but it seems like a good place to share my most memorable storm experience.

I grew up on the north shore of Lake Erie and used to go out for weekends with a classmate in his 18 foot plywood cabin cruiser. He had a boathouse at the west end of Long Point Bay. One particular weekend in about 1968 we had gone out and decided to anchor for the night in a sheltered bay about 4 miles out on Long Point. We had a nice supper and sat around chatting through the evening but my intuition was uneasy. The marine weather station (about 20 miles west of us) was calling for clear skies and fair conditions for the next 24 hours but my intuition told me something was coming. I felt the water, stuck my head up into the west breeze and all my instincts said "Storm coming." but the forecast said otherwise so we settled in for the night.

I woke up about midnight and noticed the west breeze had become pretty stiff and my intuition was now screaming at me to get off the lake! The VHF forecast hadn't changed but the winds seemed stronger than they were reporting. I woke up my friend and said "I want to go in!" so we weighed anchor and sailed out of our little bay on the lea side of the point. Out here the waves were MUCH bigger, maybe 3 foot breakers, and my friend didn't have running lights and didn't want to try making the 4 mile run in the dark so we returned to the bay and anchored again.

My sleep was restless and I was wide awake at morning twilight. I got my friend up and we weighed anchor again as soon as it was light enough to see. The wind had stiffened A LOT and my friend was starting to clue in that it was going to be BAD. We plowed through 4 and 5 foot breakers trying to make the boathouse against a strong west wind and the western sky was turning inky black. We could see lightning all along the western horizon against the fast-approaching darkness.

We were about 2 miles out yet when the shoreline disappeared into the black clouds and my friend realized we weren't going to make it to the mainland so we made a run for the marshes on Long Point and ran as deep into the marsh as we could before we lost the shear pin in the prop. We threw one Danforth into the marsh but the wind was now so strong it was dragging the anchor in the sandy bottom so I went over the side, down the anchor line, and stood on the anchor to drive it into the ground. We were still being pushed by the wind so we set the second Danforth the same way. I climbed back on board and we took shelter in the cabin.

The rain was falling so hard we both sat there with bailing buckets pitching water out the cabin window and watching the anchor rodes snap so tight we feared they would rip the cleat right off the bow or the anchors would slip and the wind would push us into open water where the little wooden boat wouldn't have a chance! I figured our bodies would wash up somewhere around Niagara Falls in a couple of days! :(

The lightning flashed, as much as 2 to 4 bolts PER SECOND! and the wind shrieked past the windows and shredded the bow flag as we watched. The rain came down in buckets making a ROAR on the cabin roof. We sat there without saying a word, listening to the rain and the continuous crashing of thunder, watching lightning flash all around us, for maybe 20 minutes, pondering the end of our young lives, before the storm started to peter out. The clouds rolled away, the wind dropped, and the sun came out!

I went back into the water to change the shear pin and to dig our two anchors out of the sand (they were both completely buried!) and we headed back to the marina.

From a mile out we could see trees down, boathouses destroyed, hydro poles down, and a LOT of damage. I turned on the VHF and, son of a gun, the forecast had CHANGED (little wonder since the storm would have hit them about 30 minutes before it hit us LOL!) The wind had been rated a Whole Gale!

Back at the marina my friend's boathouse door had been damaged and a large tree had narrowly missed his car so we went to the main dock to tie up. The owner of the marina was waiting for us on the main dock - apparently he and another retired Great Lakes fisherman had seen the storm coming (to the west of them) and seen our run for the marina (to the east of them) before they were driven inside by the storm. When they came back out, there was no sign of us (we were in the marsh) and they thought we went down.

When I came up the ladder to the dock, the old Mariner threw his arms around me in a bear hug, swung me around, and put me down with a firm pat on the back and the pronouncement "You are a REAL sailor when you have survived a gale on this lake!" I have never been more proud! My friend got the same "baptism" LOL!

The lesson I learned was to TRUST MY INTUITION. My intuition had that storm pegged 12 hours before there was any sign of it and in plenty of time to make safe harbour IF I had listened to it.
 

bob johnson

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I have had three SERIOUS strom missadventures in my boating carreer, unfortunately they were in the dead of winter, which is not forgiving at all...in the summer you could jump over in a life vest and probably make it 99 out of a 100 times...

but getting a few basics n order, will help you..

knowing the waters in one of the most important factors...either through charts or familiarity...second watching, knowing and hearing the weather...

a weatherr radio on board helps for fast moving systems, and is a benefit if way out..

knowing your boat...closed bow boats are the one saved my life while duck hunting... all that water isnt in the boat!!!

keep your motor running good at all times.... a dead motor will out your in peril in almost any storm...

back up motors are a good idea if they can accomodated..

VHF radio so when it gets REALLY REALLY bad...you can let people know you are in distress

I dont need a light as much as a depth finder to make sure i am not banging the bottom.....

a chart plotter is the bomb!!!

shows all the channels and obstacles in real time!!!

learn how to address the waves with your boat...you can make head way in thr troughs and ease up when the waves are breaking on you!!!


then know when to just turn around and go with the waves...as long as it is towards shore!!!

you dont want to roll the boat, by being hard headed and forcing your self in a certain direction in conditions the boat cant handle

I turned around and went into a port 3 miles from the launch and left my boat, when I went over a wave on a reef and looked back and the outboard was under water, !! the bow was approaching 75 degrees!!!! dont know how we didnt go over!!!

the shallows will push the waves to the surface and they will eat you up!!

good luck

bob
 

2stroke1971

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Thanks for the replies all. I posted some cell phone pics from that evening on this post, these were about 20 minutes before things went south.

Most of our trips start in the late afternoon and end late at night...mostly we go out at Sandy Point or Choptank. In both cases, there are clear cant-miss landmarks that are BRIGHTLY lit in the middle of the night. Just look for the bay bridge and theres home ya know? And, I know those areas like the back of my hand by water from our many trips last year. Last year was my first season on the water as a boat owner although I spent ALOT of time on the bay as a kid.

Im probably a little too confident in the old Bayliner because last year we ran a very old 15 foot v nosed skiff. We put that thing EVERYWHERE, once or twice a week, and it was really a very capable little boat. It was an open boat, but we never went too far from port so if things got dicey, we could get in quick. Compared to the little skiff, this Bayliner is a tank, so I may be over confident in the boat, but it did well.

I will say this, I was hesitant to buy a cuddy, its not exactly a fishing boat, but Im sure glad I had that old school capri stepped up closed nose up there shrugging off the dips! The rear end never came close to taking a gulp either which is good to know because I had people telling me that model wont handle 2 to 3 foot waves.
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If I had to make the same trip again in the dark, Id know where I was going..that was a major snafu on my part, but I wasnt planning on being out at dark...but then again thats when things go wrong, when they dont go as planned.
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The truth is, no boat is big enough. A bad day is a bad day, and foul weather is no joke. You all are right, I do have to steer well clear of the advisories.
I have a buddy at work that owns a 33 footer, and wind will keep him in every time.
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Yes, one more part to that equation like a wrapped crab pot or an engine failure would have been really bad. Radar or a plotter is probably not in my range right now. I do have the submersible floating ICOM though. Need some glow sticks to tie to my vest! I imagined floating down the Honga in utter darkness...:eek:
 

AZBoatDreamer

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Intense story. It's interesting to hear how you all navigate the Big body Waters. The biggest body of water in AZ is my back yard swimming pool I think. Really though, we don't have to worry about such weather at our lakes.
 

Bluegills Unlimited

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Wow - What great stories. Fortunatley, I have not had the "pleasure" of having dealt with anything like this...
 

a70eliminator

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Re: Had a rough time Friday night. Lessons learned.

Very very good for experience, getting it first hand just made made you a better boater no matter what anybody says, your one of the lucky ones.
 
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