Looking for advice on economical first boat

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Hi all, I am new to the forum and have yet to purchase a boat. My thought is to do a little investigation now and avoid a bunch of heartache later. I will be shopping for something inexpensive in the 16ft range that will allow me and the wife to pleasure boat and do some fishing here in Colorado. The purchase will be made on a shoe string budget so I'll probably end up going tri-hull but you never know. I am hoping for recommendations as to boats that seem to have the least amount of problems (i.e. wooden substructure rot, etc.). Most of the boats that I have been seeing for sale that are in my price range are mid 1960's to late 70's if that helps narrow things down. Thanks for any and all advice.
Tony
 

DuckHunterJon

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Re: Looking for advice on economical first boat

Kinda depends on what you want to do with it. Do you want to fish, do watersports, cruise, or just go float on the water. I'd look at the newest, best condition you can afford, and decide if it would do what you want it too. This could start with a 14 - 16' aluminum with a 9.9 motor. If you budget is fixed, you can move up in ammenities and features, while moving down on condition/age. Somewhere in that spectrum you will find what will satisfiy your needs, while maximizing condition.

With that said, for a very first boat, go simple and cheap, and PLAN on upgrading. To be honest, you don't know what you want/need until you get into something and learn. My first boat was a 14' aluminum with a 6 hp on it. 1 year later it had an 18 hp on it. 1 year later, I sold it for a good deal more than I had into it, and bought a straight pleasure boat (17' with 3.0 mercruiser). 3 years later that was sold (again at a profit) and purchased what I really wanted - a FISH/ski (leaning heavily towards the fishing side) 20' with Merc 200 Opti.

Good luck with the purchase and stop back to let us know what you end up with.
 

This_lil_fishy

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Re: Looking for advice on economical first boat

Boats, Planes, Women...

They're all cheaper to rent.


Now that said, starting with a good old fiberglass with an outboard is top notch. I got a little 14' closed bow unit that was a bit rough around the edges. Smoked the dock a few times, hit bottom a few times, but it cost me very little so was perfect to learn on. I do all my own repairs so I saved A LOT of money there. If you aren't mechanically inclined you could be up to a $1000 in minor repairs (trailer lights, wheels, bearings, engine work like carbs and impeller...etc). If you are mechanically inclined I think it cost me somewhere in the order of $3-500 to get the old girl top notch...barring any rotted transoms or stringers....


Ian
 

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Re: Looking for advice on economical first boat

The best advice that I can offer is to make sure that it is mechanically sound. Obviously that means the motor, but also the condition of the wood "frame" (transom, stringers, etc). IMO, it's not a big deal if the carpet or vinyl is dirty/torn, or some gauges don't work (except tach), etc. Things of that nature can be fixed over time all the while you can enjoy your boat..
 

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Re: Looking for advice on economical first boat

not to be a kiljoy, but boat and economical dont belong in the same sentence. that being said, start out with an aluminum boat, 14-16 ft with somewhere around a 15-25 hp motor. they are easy to handle and wont go through a ton of gas.

just remember one thing: outboards are EXPENSIVE to fix. and they are finicky. they can work great one day, and the next not start and need a $100 part. im not very mechanicly inclined, but i picked up an 85 hp motor for my 16' starcraft. it wont start. im getting alot of help from the forum, but in all honesty the budget will dictate when it runs. until finances allow any parts that may need to be replaced, it will sit there.
 

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Re: Looking for advice on economical first boat

When you get into 25+ year old boats its very hard to make any suggestions as far as reliablility, there are a few to stay away from though. Anything OMC I wouldn't want(not made anymore parts/mechanics hard to find) merc 470 I/O's don't have the best reputation with most. I would stick with an aluminum hulled rig if possible much less to worry about or deal with. The Force outboards are not real popular as they are not supported with parts anymore. Some of the older Johnson/Evinrude electric shift models can be tricky if the electronics are messed up at all (which was fairly common) Not to say that there arent plenty of good glass boats out there but one from the 60's or 70's should be checked for rotten wood pretty carefully especially the transom and stringers. A 16' trihull is a good stable boat for fishing but will pound you in the waves. If you do go an outboard and budget will allow get a small trolling motor to keep either onboard or attached to the transom good for trolling and to get back to land if the main motor goes out. Look at as many as you can to get a feel for whats out there. Its snowing here in Utah right now and probably heading your way(sorry)....
 

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Re: Looking for advice on economical first boat

Its snowing here in Utah right now and probably heading your way(sorry)....


Uhh, thanks for the warning...its really windy hear right now.

I am mainly looking at fiberglass boats as I want to be able to use it to pull skiers/tubes as well as fishing. If there are any aluminum hulled boats that fit the bill I'll start searching for them also. I am mechanically inclined and can do most any work myself...that said, I also have way to many projects going on right now and don't need to add fixing rotted stringers to the list. Thanks for all the advice given so far, its all appreciated and will be taken into consideration.
 

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Uhh, thanks for the warning...its really windy hear right now.

I am mainly looking at fiberglass boats as I want to be able to use it to pull skiers/tubes as well as fishing. If there are any aluminum hulled boats that fit the bill I'll start searching for them also. I am mechanically inclined and can do most any work myself...that said, I also have way to many projects going on right now and don't need to add fixing rotted stringers to the list. Thanks for all the advice given so far, its all appreciated and will be taken into consideration.

There are plenty of aluminum boats that will pull toys just fine. The ride will be a little wetter, but hey, why should the one being pulled have all the fun? And of course, aluminum rigs are great for fishing. In that pic I'm standing on the front deck of a 15' Eldocraft flatbottom. Great little rig. Got rid of it last year, but not because I didn't like it.
 
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start out with an aluminum boat, 14-16 ft with somewhere around a 15-25 hp motor. they are easy to handle and wont go through a ton of gas.
Great advice. This is the perfect type starter boat, will do what you need except for tubing/skiing. You can bang it around it'll take a licking.

just remember one thing: outboards are EXPENSIVE to fix. and they are finicky.
Not true. Motors are expensive but outboards are not any more expensive to fix than an inboard/outboard. In fact, I often find that outboards are cheaper because they are easier to access. They don't break down more often and in fact, if you get the right motor they are extremely simple to maintain and fix.

When you get into 25+ year old boats its very hard to make any suggestions as far as reliablility
Great point. Just find a boat that looks like it has been well-maintained. If the boat is still floating after 30-40+ years, it is going to last a few more.

Anything OMC I wouldn't want(not made anymore parts/mechanics hard to find)
Maybe in Utah, but most places OMC motors are just fine. Johnson and Evinrude motors will be the most likely pairings with boats from the 60s and 70s. Lots of places repair them and you can get the parts anywhere because lots of people own them and they go forever. I've owned OMC motors from 1962, 1972, and 1979. They all worked great, maintenance was simple, and the repairs were easy. Now, not all shops work on older motors but it's usually not too hard to find one that will.


In general, I agree with most of the comments made here. However, your desire to buy a 1960s/70s boat, on a budget, that is in good shape, and strong enough to pull skiers is a tall order. You'll likely find beat up boats of that age with big motors, but for your budget they'll be in poor condition. Fiberglass boats typically weigh more and provide a better ride, but aluminum is lighter and cheaper and many find the handling difference to be negligible. You'll be fine with either but in the beginning, you might want to go aluminum before buying that nice fiberglass boat.

My suggestion is to concentrate on a good 1970s/80s boat with an older, smaller motor up to a 40hp. This will get you and your wife out on the water for pleasure boating and fishing. My wife and I did that for our first five years and then upgraded to a new 90hp that could pull tubes and skiers. I put my share of dings and dents into those earlier boats while I learned the ropes. Even now, I recently made a minor mistake while working on my lower unit and it turned into a major consequence when the main bearing seized, costing me $1,200 worth of repairs. A small motor won't rack up those kind of repair costs because you can just buy another $500 motor! Do yourself a favor and start small and work your way up. You'll be happier in the end.
 

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Great advice. This is the perfect type starter boat, will do what you need except for tubing/skiing. You can bang it around it'll take a licking.


Not true. Motors are expensive but outboards are not any more expensive to fix than an inboard/outboard. In fact, I often find that they are cheaper because they are easier to access. They don't break down more often and in fact, if you get the right motor they are extremely simple to maintain and fix.


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i guess i should clarify. they are finicky and breakdown alot and expensive to fix compared to an engine in say a car or lawn mower. at least thats my experience anyways.
 
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Agreed. Boats (and their motors) in general breakdown a lot compared to cars. Although I'll put a 40 year old OMC motor up to a 40 year old car any day.

Snowmobiles break down constantly too compared to cars, but they are fun to have and there are brands/models that are better to own than others. That's for another forum though...
 

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Economical and Boating?

I guess I should have said relatively economical :D I like trying to do the improbable. I'm also building an early 331 Chrysler Hemi for another project and trying to do that on the cheap. Alas, when its all said and done, toys do cost time and money...
 

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The OMC comment was more toward an I/O, but I will add there are VERY FEW people that will work on old outboards of any make here in utah. I was doing most of my own repair when I owned one but I wasn't tearing the gearcase apart either. If I were looking at anything that had an I/O I wouldn't go OMC sorry don't mean to offend but why buy something that is no longer in production or supported with parts.
 

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Anything OMC I wouldn't want(not made anymore parts/mechanics hard to find)

Maybe in Utah, but most places OMC motors are just fine. Johnson and Evinrude motors will be the most likely pairings with boats from the 60s and 70s. Lots of places repair them and you can get the parts anywhere because lots of people own them and they go forever.

I believe he was trying to steer the OP away from OMC I/O's not OB's. The drives are the issue, not the engines, as they used the same ones as VP and merc.
 

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OMC parts and mechanics (I/O) are still relatively plentiful yet. They were made from the mid 80's all the way up till 93 or 94 I think. They are stronger and more reliable than most people give them credit for. As a matter of fact Volvo bought the Cobra drive and based their drives on it.

The only thing that IS truly expensive to replace on them are the gear sets. There are two marinas in my local area that are still well stocked with original OMC parts. Maintenance items such as impellers, carb re-build kits and even risers are being made by aftermarket compaines now.

Now the Kinig Cobra, the old 800 series, and the electric shift drives are another matter enitrely! Parts for them are getting rare and very expensive. Fortunitaly, most of them are off the market now and they are being used for parts.
 

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An economical first boat

The price goes up as the size goes up :D

BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand


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