Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

alexh86

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Cannot figure this one out....
Squeeze primer ball until firm, press in choke and start engine. Warms up fine @ high idle. Drop it down to reg idle and a minute later and the motor begins to stumble more and more and eventually dies. Squeeze the ball and it is empty. If I can catch it early enough stumbling, I can go to fast idle and let the motor recover and then the same thing happens a minute later. If I start the engine and immediately get to higher RPMs the motor will run fine the entire time (any rpm range while still planing). Get back into the creek to idle and the motor will die out 60 sec later. Check the primer ball - empty again. Assume its some sort of vacuum leak that prevents more fuel from being pumped in, so every time I re-squeeze the primer ball and idle around all its doing is using the fuel I just squeezed in.

Information I know:
I have tried this with two bulbs, same symptoms with both
I would assume if it were a tank venting issue there would be problems while @ higher RPMs. I have also run with the fuel cap off and same thing happens.
The plastic fuel filter will not get more than 1/2 full. I don't know of any way to bleed the air out. Is this normal? I took the filter off and can blow air through both directions freely- assume its not clogged?

I have a feeling the VRO might be the issue. I currently premix fuel and have the oil line capped off and sealed. I'm considering removing the pump and using a reg fuel pump, are there any downsides? Because the primer ball gets empty, I assumed it wasn't an issue with carb settings - am I wrong?

Any help would be appreciated.
-alex.
 

ezeke

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

Look for an air leak, probably between the primer bulb and the engine.

With the engine off, keep a little steady pressure on the primer bulb while you carefully look for wetness in the fuel system; where fuel can get out, air can and will get in.
 

alexh86

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

Tried to look for leaking fuel but have yet to see anything. I have bought a mechanical pump and am going to remove all things VRO related and see if that solves the issue.
Thanks.
 

Rick.

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

Seems to me this VRO gets a lot of bad press when a motor isn't functioning right. I am very new to these large motors having just purchase a 95 - 40 HP this past week. It sounds to me like your slow speed circuit in the carb's is dirty. Also at a higher rpm the pump works a little harder so I would check the inlet screen on your tank to rule out a blockage there. Best of luck. Rick.
 

alexh86

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

I looked at all the connections when I squeezed the primer bulb firm. I noticed a little fuel leaking from the top of the VRO. Switched the clamp on it and tried again. Seemed to help considerably. Still ends up dieing but maybe 10% as much. I still bought a mech fuel pump i will install this week and come back with the results. Thanks for the help so far.
-alex.
 

clanton

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

Check the pulse hose to the VRO, on some of these engines, the starter end cap would rub a small hole in the hose. Repair hose, grind notch in started end cap.
 

h20surf

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

Alex, please let me know what you find out. I have a 99 Johnson 200hp with the exact same problem. I have also disconnect oil feed from VRO and still have stumble at idle. Please let me know if conventional pump solves problem. I have also order mine and it will be here in a day or so. Anybody else with insight on this problem please chime in. Thanks in advance.

Derrick
 

ezeke

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Re: Help -2000 40hp johnson ball loses prime @ idle and dies, but fine at higher rpm?

You can't run the 1999 200HP on a conventional lift pump; it's not powerful enough, Even with two lift pumps it's marginal.
 
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