Towing with a car

98Shabah

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It makes me wonder what a new one costs. Does anyone know what it costs through fleet sales?

I can't say what a new one costs, but used they don't sell for much. I picked up my 2005 when it was 3 years old with around 32,xxx miles, it is the highest option package of the crown vic (lx sport), completed with floor shifter, bucket seats, power moon roof, leather, rear air suspension, etc for $11,125.. From what I've found it stickered just north of $29,000 new. :)
 

Mark42

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I towed both my 14' MFG and16' Bayliner with a 98 Lincoln Town Car. Great tow vehicle for smaller boats, although I did add a posi rear and a switch to override the traction control system.

I once had the police stop when I was pulling the boat out and tell me that i would get stuck. I told them its not a cop car, its a Town Car, and proceeded to pull the boat up the wet ramp without spinning the tires. HA!

I sold it w/ 160K miles and still on the original transmission in great shape. Now the car lives about a mile down the road so I get to see it almost every day! Just change the trans fluid every 60K and it will be fine.

Chevy Caprice is a great tow vehicle too.
 

H20Rat

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here is my tow set up...

its a 2008 subaru legacy


You are pretty much the exact same setup/weight I'm at, except with a wrx instead of a legacy. As much as I don't like auto trans, pulling would be the one time it would be nice!

Just curious, what is your mileage when pulling?
 

timdan94

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You are pretty much the exact same setup/weight I'm at, except with a wrx instead of a legacy. As much as I don't like auto trans, pulling would be the one time it would be nice!

Just curious, what is your mileage when pulling?

with that boat its anywhere from 15-17 mpg. I have the manual which I like better because of having more gears which makes it a little easier. Empty I'm getting 30+mpg on the highway 27-28ish mixed driving.
The new boat is gonna be at or close to the 2700lb towing limit on the legacy.
 

Titanium48

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^My boat is about the same size (14.5 ft, 1600-1800 lb depending how much fuel and gear I'm carrying) and I tow it with a manual transmission Saturn SL2. It works great on the highway - no instability and it pulls the boat up 8% grades at 100 km/h. On the highway I get 9 km/L (21 MPG) towing and 15 km/L (35 MPG) when I leave the boat at home. I'd really like a lower 1st gear ratio and AWD for pulling up steeper and/or soft surfaced ramps though.

As far as the supposed weakness of unibody construction, here's how I abused my old car (also a Saturn S-series). I had launched the boat and was taking the trailer to the trailer parking lot when I absent-mindedly tried to pull the trailer over a stop sign. The sign hit the axle subframe just inside the fender, causing the car to go from ~25 km/h to ~5 km/h within a few feet, bending the sign over at a 45? angle and nearly flipping the trailer (evidenced by road rash on the opposite fender). The force moved the receiver about an inch to the side, but the mount points remained tight with no metal tearing and I had no subsequent alignment problems with the car. I replaced the bent trailer coupler and pulled the boat another 2000 km without issue, despite the slightly off-center receiver.
 

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I can't say what a new one costs, but used they don't sell for much. I picked up my 2005 when it was 3 years old with around 32,xxx miles, it is the highest option package of the crown vic (lx sport), completed with floor shifter, bucket seats, power moon roof, leather, rear air suspension, etc for $11,125.. From what I've found it stickered just north of $29,000 new. :)

That sounds like a pretty sweet squad car you've got there. Not many are loaded up like that, always cool to see them.
Love the low resale price on the cookie cutter domestic vehicles, hell at 29k even the original buyer got a good deal. I would say a cop spec Vic is $20k currently.
My local PD gets rids of the Vics at 85k miles its really a shame and a waste of taxpayer money as those cars have so much life left.
Cabbies buy them and run em up to 3 and 400k, you wont beat that 4.6 or 5.0.
 

dirtyoldman

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That sounds like a pretty sweet squad car you've got there. Not many are loaded up like that, always cool to see them.
Love the low resale price on the cookie cutter domestic vehicles, hell at 29k even the original buyer got a good deal. I would say a cop spec Vic is $20k currently.
My local PD gets rids of the Vics at 85k miles its really a shame and a waste of taxpayer money as those cars have so much life left.
Cabbies buy them and run em up to 3 and 400k, you wont beat that 4.6 or 5.0.

I love my town car. My wife drives it - a 96 model. It's got 170k miles on it and we can't see a reason to buy a new one yet...

I suppose one of these days we'll have to replace it, but for now it's just a great car. The wife wants a Lincoln LS for the next car.
 

98Shabah

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That sounds like a pretty sweet squad car you've got there. Not many are loaded up like that, always cool to see them.
Love the low resale price on the cookie cutter domestic vehicles, hell at 29k even the original buyer got a good deal. I would say a cop spec Vic is $20k currently.
My local PD gets rids of the Vics at 85k miles its really a shame and a waste of taxpayer money as those cars have so much life left.
Cabbies buy them and run em up to 3 and 400k, you wont beat that 4.6 or 5.0.

And if you figure in the amount of hours they have on them it is almost unbelievable that they last so long. I do computer support for a local PD (including the in car computers), I sat in a 1 year old vic a little while back that had around 3900 hours on it and only 3x,xxx miles.
 

windsors03cobra

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I love my town car. My wife drives it - a 96 model. It's got 170k miles on it and we can't see a reason to buy a new one yet...

I suppose one of these days we'll have to replace it, but for now it's just a great car. The wife wants a Lincoln LS for the next car.

I have a 99 5.0 Exploder and it has that ole 4R70W transmission that came from the 90's full size Ford cars and it has 196k on it and it runs and shifts out great. Really durable stuff there.

I just looked at a 00 LS last week with a guy who was needing a used car.
Eh Meh, it left alot to be desired IMO. Was about the same interior as your 96, I was expecting more features. It may have been a base model and I guess it was an "old" 00 but it did not even have autolamp/auto dim, electrochromatic mirrors or rain sensing wipers :eek:
The engine looked awful to replace anything on but maybe they are great motors and require no work ?
Luckily the used car shopper customer purchased a 00 Park Ave 3.8 S/C. :cool:

I do love the 98 + Town Cars, cannot believe how deep the trunk is in those cars.
But my last *favorite* Lincoln was the 98 Mark VIII, sadly a Mark wont work for my daily driver situation and I have been relegated to a Jeep Grand Cherokee. :redface:
Sold my 91 Mark 7 LSC SE last winter to buy an old boat, kinda miss it now and again.
Loved the air ride, only got $1000 for it with 96k Miles.
 

windsors03cobra

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And if you figure in the amount of hours they have on them it is almost unbelievable that they last so long. I do computer support for a local PD (including the in car computers), I sat in a 1 year old vic a little while back that had around 3900 hours on it and only 3x,xxx miles.

That does seem like quite a few hours in a year I guess.
At work we have a ten year old Yota forklift and its coming up to 10,000 hours and it runs and works like new, it does not even look bad and we run it alot.

I think the PD cars have kind of a mixed bag life I mean I do not think idling with the a/c on for 8 hours is hard on a good V8 engine, its sure easier than ferrying passengers all day in hot rush hour traffic.
The police do take the Crown Vics on the occasional high speed chase and beat on em a bit responding to the bad folks crime calls but that is not all bad either.
I think 12,000 hours and 90,000 miles is less than half the life of a Vic but hey every automobile is different right ? Some go, some blow.
Fixing this type of cars is not exactly costly either. As far as the gubmint goes, hey its free money.
 

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I used to work for a dealer where we had the service contract for several local PDs and a bunch of rescue squads. Most all the Crown Vics that were left in service indefinitely easily hit 350,000 miles on the original engine, and most were still running just fine at that point. The transmissions, 4R70W, would go anywhere from 130K to 180K with basic maintenance. The rear axles would go about 180K to 210K with most failing from collision or impact damage before mechanical failure. The weak point in those cars was probably the body mounts and steel brake lines in saltwater areas. I can remember doing quite a few metal brake lines and a bunch of body mount bolts and bushing replacements. For some reason, the rescue squad cars got more abuse than did the police cars, they were the one's with the body mounts all ripped out or wheels, rear axles, or control arms ripped off or bent. I had to put one back together that crossed a railroad track at high speed where there was no crossing in route to a call. (Most of the car actually made it).

The 4.6L Ford engine is rock solid, but not cheap to replace, at least not compared to a push rod type motor like the 5.0L/302ci engines.
The transmissions in those cars have been basically unchanged since the first version of the panther chassis back in 1979, the AOD, AODE, & 4R70W are all the same base model trans with only valve body and gear ratio changes over the years. The 4R70W is by far the best shifting and most versatile of all versions.

I currently own three of these cars, two Mercury Grand Marquis, an '03 and an '06, and an '03 Crown Vic, and I've owned many others before these. All were great cars that gave me no problems. My 1989 Crown Vic had 250K on the clock and was still going strong when I sold it in 2004, and that car towed nearly every day of it's life, whether it was a boat, utility trailer, or camper.
I especially like the fuel mileage I get from the newer models, I get upwards of 24 mpg pretty consistently out of all three of my current cars, with the two Mercurys being the best that way.

Something that always got me was how they could make a two ton car get 24 mpg with a 4.6L/4R70W trans, and a 3:55 rear axle ratio, yet the same combo in an F150 gets less then 14 mpg? I had a 2006 F150 for about a year, it never broke the 13.5 MPG mark even on the highway, and didn't pull my boat any better than my Grand Marquis did. The truck had no more power, wasn't as comfortable, and burned double the fuel to do the same job, and could only carry three people. It's only advantage was ground clearance and an 8' bed. I sold the truck in favor of the second car, and kept my 1 ton van for bigger towing needs.
 

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I used to tow my 16' northcraft fiber glass boat with 1990 Toyota Corolla. I got a lot of strange looks a the ram. But it pulled the boat out of the steep ram no problem. Later I got a 4 cyl. Toyota camry and it towed very well for 3 years.

So that was you was it ???:D
 

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My dad had a buddy with a VW Bug and a Whaler. He had a hitch mounted on each end of the bug.
 
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