Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

CaptainHook

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Just picked up a mid 70's johnson 9.9. Cleaned and set the points, put a new pick up coil and got her going.

I have an evinrude 15hp of the same era that is locked up. What do I need or what can I switch to make the 9.9 a 15hp?

Just the carb? They are different part #'s but will bolt up with no issue. I was just wondering if there was anything else.....
 

tx1961whaler

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

According to legend, the 70's era Johnny/Rudes only needed the carb change. The newer ones had more differences. I've never done it before with a dynamometer to measure the results.
You can go to http://shop2.evinrude.com and compare the 9.9 and 15 HP diagrams and part numbers to see if there is anything different between the 2, besides the carbs.
 

CaptainHook

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

That is where I was looking. The carb body and jets are different. I am guessing more air and fuel.

I was just wondering if anyone had done it and actually noticed a difference in performance.
 

tx1961whaler

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

There's a few threads in the Johnson/Evinrude section discussing the 9.9/15 HP topic. Many different opinions to be found, for sure....
 

CaptainHook

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

Thanks, i will try searching the site to see if I can find any real definite answers.
 

bob johnson

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

here is a good detail of the differences...scroll down till you find the heading..for differences..lengthy explaination, and the differences vary over the years..this guy is saying that early on...yes it was ONLY a carb change that made the difference...

but by the 90s it was a lot more...

http://www.sschapterpsa.com/ramblings/Johnson 9.9_15.htm

bob
 

cajuncook1

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

One of our forum members did an excellent job of explain the similarities and differences. Cheers!!

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Default Re: Difference between a 9.9hp and 15hp Johnson?
The search function on this site isn't very good. It seems you need more than three characters per word, so just entering "9.9 15" will return zilch. Entering "Johnson 15" will return everything with "Johnson" but the "15" will be ignored. However, entering "15hp" will return results, but any posts that might have contained "15 hp" (space between) will not show up.

However, I'll give you some info on the differences:

Standard propellers are the same for both 9.9 and 15 thrughout the 1974-92 lifecycle of these engines, 9.5"x10"

1974-78: No difference except for the carburetor. Both motors share a square exhaust tube that seals with the gearcase, creating a "wall of water" from spilloff accumulation in the midsection that helps silence the motor. The water overflow exits through the top exhaust relief ports. Exhaust gas exits through the prop.

Note: One of the 1977 OMC brochures (Johnson or Evinrude) claimed an "increase in top speed" for the 15 starting that year, but I don't know of any additional difference from the 9.9 that accomplished this. The claim was definitely made before the spacers were added in 1979 (see below). My best guess is the carburetor bore was made even larger on the 15 starting in 1977, but perhaps someone else could confirm this.

1979+: spacers added at intake reeds on the 15 to improve throttle response.

1981-84: 15 now has tuned exhaust (shorter, rounder tube) to increase torque. This results in more mixing of the exhaust and exiting cooling water. Little (if any) water exits through the top of the midsection's exhaust relief port. Some believe this made the 15 louder. There were also changes to compression ratio & timing (according to 1981 OMC brochures). 15's full-throttle operating range increases by 500 rpm over pre-1981 model. All these changes apparently gave a true 15hp measurement at the prop instead of the flywheel (OMC may have been prompted to do this due to increased market competition, and possibly because some felt the 15 wasn't a huge enough power leap from the 9.9).

1985: 15 has exhaust tube reshaped again, squarish but still short.

1990: 9.9 now shares same short, square exhaust tube with 15.

In various years there were changes that affected both motors at the same time, such as a powerhead redesign that placed the thermostat at the top, and a push-pull throttle cable instead of the metal twist linkage.
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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

I looked into the spacer thing, they were added to both 9.9 and 15 hp motors and were the same part number- I don't think it helped when it came to more HP, it was indeed throttle response but was shared with both motors.
 

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

What's your source on the spacers being added to the 9.9? What year were they added?
 

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1984- if you look at 83 and below the spacer was listed for the 15 sail motor, then it became standard on the 9.9.
 

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

Hello. I have a 1975 Johnson 9.9hp. Many years ago when this series came out in 1974, I was at my local Johnson dealer who had 40 rental boats with these very engines on them, and a 15 on the tug they used to bring large boats on the moorings into the dock when customers wanted to use them. They told me they liked the 15 for the tug because it had more pulling power. They had a new 9.9 and 15 in the sales office, and they looked identical, even with the cowls off. I went to the mechanic who was OMC master certified, and had just gotten back from OMC school on these new engines. I asked what the differances were, and he told me it was only the carb. By 1977, the 9.9/15 got solid state ignition, and as mentioned the 15 had a different exhaust tube, oh, yes, the reed spacers too. In 1982, I bought a used 1975 9.9 and purchased a new 15 hp carb for it. The power increase was well worth the $78.00 carb price, and it soon broke the upper motor mounts, so I had to replace them! Over the years, I would go scrounge parts from the local bone yard at the marina, getting used 9.9 and 15 engines from them that had busted lower units from people hitting rocks. Anyway, I tried the different exhaust housings and tubes, and added the reed spacers, but it affected the low speed trolling and idling so I went back to everything original but the kept the 15 carb, it runs best this way, as designed.

Others here get very confused about this because for any given year, with the exception of the first three years (1974-76) there are more differances, but even so, as I found out, the carb makes the real change, the other stuff is not noticable by itself and really not worth the hassle. I was lucky to have free aceess to these parts and try them, but went back to stock. Much of the controversy arises from people who have not actually done the conversion, as they say, seeing is beleiving.

As pointed out above, it is quite interesting that after OMC made all these different changes to the 15 exhaust, at the end they went back to using the square exhaust tube on both models, just like they were originally, what's that tell you?

Study the engine specifications and you will see both engines are capable of reving much higher than the RPM specified for their rated horsepower, so they are more powerful than the BIA certified HP rating.
 

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stinkbait85

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

Just an idea, I recently completed a conversion. I had an early 80's 9.9 with modern cdi ignition and a mid 70's 15 with points. I took the 15 power head and put it on the 9.9 with all the 9.9's electronics and it worked like a charm.
 

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

I did the same thing with my 75 15 hp, it now has CD ignition off of a later 9.9.
 

ChrisAG

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Re: Johnson 9.9 to 15 hp conversion??

As pointed out above, it is quite interesting that after OMC made all these different changes to the 15 exhaust, at the end they went back to using the square exhaust tube on both models, just like they were originally, what's that tell you?

No, they went to a redesigned SHORT square exhaust tube, not the original one that was longer and mated with the lower unit.
 
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