470 Mercruiser Overheating

twister216

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Hi all. I'm new to the board. Looks like a lot of good info here. Here's my dilema. I'm having an overheating problem that I can't figure out. Maybe someone can help.

First off the history: I purchased a 1979 Caravelle BowRider from a friend in the fall of 2008. My dad had recently retired and I figured it would make a good project for him. The problem then was one of the spark plugs had blown the porcelin tip out of it and we got couldn't get it out of the head so we took it to a marina. They couldn't get it out either so they removed the head and sent it off to a machine shop. During the tear down they noticed water/rust in the cylinders and told us it would be best to rebuild the engine. After Overhaul kit, rings, rod bearings, main bearings, timing chain, oil pump, water pump, flywheel, upper gear seals and new motor mounts they informed me the transom was rotting. So a transom rebuild thrown in there also for a total of $5280.14 and we were set...or so we thought.

Over the winter we had the interior reupholstered for $750. Last summer we take the boat out and it overheats. We take it back to the marina. They said it was running fine after the rebuild but would check it out. They changed the impeller, impeller housing, and went from a 3 inch heat exchanger to a 4 inch for another $657. We get the boat back and still have an overheating problem. My dad took it out a couple more times last summer and had to be towed in both times. The marina started giving us the runaround. They were backed up 4 weeks and it would take that long to just look at it. So it set up over this past winter.

About a month ago my dad calls me and tells me to come get it out of his yard. He's tired of messing with it. I get it and charge the battery up. It fires off first lick. It runs around 140 degrees on the muffs. I take it to the lake and it idles fine but when I put the RPM's to it the thing over heats up to about 220-240 degrees. I bring it home and change the impeller. It runs at 140 degrees on the muffs. Back to the lake it over heats when you put the RPM's to it. I take it to a different marina. They put it in the drum and run it at 3500 RPM's for 45 mins and it runs between 140 and 160 degrees. They pull the heat exchanger but find nothing plugging it. There's a steady stream of water coming out of both the gymball housing and the prop. I take it back to the lake and as soon as I put a load in it (RPM's) it over heats again.

It has both them and me stumped. Some one told me it could have the wrong head gasket on it. Maybe a water port is plugged off. I think if that was the problem it would've overheated when the marina was running it at 3500 RPM's. Chasing ghosts has become expensive so hopefully someone can help me figure this thing out before I take out a second mortgage on my house. Thanks! ;)
 

Don S

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

Anybody ever pull the exhaust riser and check to see if it's partially plugged up?
May also be the pump housings on the raw water pump in the drive is warped and when you get on plane, it sucks air and not water and you overheat. Could also be a thermostat, or a restiction between the drive and engine, is the hose from the drive to transom shield kinked or soft?
 

EddiePetty

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

.....in addition to Don S.'s suggestions:

Replace the raw water supply hose from the transom hose barb to the water-cooled voltage regulator with clear tubing. Test run the boat and observe the water flow through the clear tube. At no time should you see bubbles of air. If air bubbles are seen, the impeller pump is sucking air or cavitating thus reducing the amount of cooling water to the heat exchanger.
Secondly, remove the prop and carefully examine the enterior of the exhaust port in the foot for pieces of former flapper valves. [You may also consider removing the drive (at least the exhaust bellows) and examining the exhaust for similar remains.]
During your previous impeller changes, were any of the impeller vanes (or pieces of) missing? If so, and agreeing with Don, they're restricting the flow either in the supply hose or the heat exchanger tube sheet.
 

YeboGogo

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

Anyone changed the thermostat ?

I would pull off all hoses and try run water backwards. Should show you if you have a blockage. Just remember to disconnect the piece that dumps into the exhaust.. wouldnt want water in the engine again..
 

twister216

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

Yes Yebo, the thermostat was changed and we boiled the new in a pot on the stove. It opens at about 160 degrees. The mech at the marina went through the heat exchanger and found no blockage. Eddie we ran a clear hose to the voltage regulator, no bubbles. Looks like everything on the raw water side is working fine. Don there were no kinks or soft hose. We replaced the exhaust manifold and riser and still the same result. For some reason I keep thinking they put the wrong head gasket on and there's a water port blocked. I don't know if there was an engine design change a year or two before or after '79 and maybe the wrong gasket was put on and the mech overlooked a water port. Thing that gets me is when it's on the muffs it doesn't overheat. It runs just below 140 degrees. If a port was blocked it seems like it would overheat eventually. I've ran it personally for over an hour on the muffs and it doesn't overheat. It will when you drop in the water though. Normally about 5 mins outside the idle wake.:confused:
 

mike456

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

Are you sure the engine is actualy overheating? Could it be that your gauge or temp sender is bad and giving you false readings? I've been wresting with a similar problem on a 5.7L raw water cooled engine. The temp will run fine (160) up to to about 3200RPM after that it runs up to 200+ quickly. I have check the risers when when running full out and they are only warm to the touch so I do not think the engine is overheating even though the temp gauge indicates that it is. I suspect I have an electical problem, you may too.
 

twister216

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

Mike, it's overheating. It'll blow the cap off the coolant reservior and you can see/hear the coolant boiling.
 

stonyloam

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

I shouldn't read these posts, they start me thinking too much and it hurts. Looking at everything you said, the only thing that is changing is that the boat is overheating when it is moving. That suggests that when the boat is under way, something in the seawater flow path changes. What happens when under way? The angle of the boat changes, trim changes, water pressure on seawater intake, prop is turning. With the muffs on you have pressurized water going in to the impeller, and when sitting in one spot, the water pressure on the inlet is also different then when moving. I know that you have already done the impeller and housing, but it seems like there can only be one logical explanation and that is that the impeller is becoming very inefficient when under way (as Don suggested). I would suggest (since you have spent a zillion dollars already) a new OEM impeller and HOUSING. The only other thing that I can think of is that the water inlet hose kinks and restricts flow when the boat is moving, seems highly unlikely. Anyway, Good luck.
 

EddiePetty

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

...have you yet checked the exhaust passages for pieces of a wasted flapper valve?
 

shadetree918

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

While testing with the muffs on, are you using too much water pressure? You could be forcing water in instead of the impeller sucking its own water in. I did that once before then realized the problem. I flushed ever hose and passage in my engine with garden hose water and cools good now. May have been some impeller pieces in there somewhere, who knows. Just my two cents.
 

twister216

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

We found the culprit! The head gasket wasn't torqued down correctly when the rebuild was done. I was a bit skeptical when the mechanic called and told me that, but he was correct. He changed it out and told me she was fixed. He believed that compression seeping into the block caused aireation. We ran her on the lake yesterday for a couple of hours and she never got above 160 degrees. She ran around 130 degrees most of the time. Thanks for all of you folks input. :D
 

shadetree918

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Re: 470 Mercruiser Overheating

thats awesome. Maybe thats whats wrong with mine again. Overheated on me yesterday after about 30 min on the water according to the dummy gage on the dash. All was well last time i had it out on the water. Gonna check the impeller first before I get into it that far.
 
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