Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Cap'n Chaos

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WITH EVERYONE'S HELP HERE :D and my factory service manual...I got it running good, until this last issue I had yesterday.

Last thing I have done is decarbed with seafoam and changed out the awful looking Autolite plugs to Champion J6C and adjusted low idle speed as best I could in a bucket ... and all had been well up to this point.

When I shut it down.... steam or smoke came out the tell tale and carb; the head was so hot I couldn't hold my hand there for a second... but it was pumping water fine the whole time?

I have yet to recheck compression....but it is not seized.

Questions:
What the heck is going on here? manual suggests exhaust cover or gasket leaking / head gasket leaking...
Could this be as simple a problem as a failed thermostat?
Are the Champ plugs too hot / do I need a J4C instead?
Am I going to have to replace the impeller and head gasket now?

I have several posts relating to the 1965 Evinrude 6HP model 6502 that I have been working on getting running (as I have time / money).

*To sum it up I have replaced or rebuilt (so far):
Carb
Coils
Points & Condensers
flywheel key
plug wires / boots
spark plugs
 

cajuncook1

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

I noticed that you didn't state if you changed your impeller or housing. A worn or old impeller (waterpump) may pump some water but not as efficiently. But if you have change the impeller and no water tube obstruction then see a few suggestions below
I edited my post after re-reading your input.



We all worry if our water pump is working and cooling the head and preventing overheating and damaging the cylinders, pistons, and ruining our precious piece of machinery.

A good investment and a piece of equipment that will give you peace of mind is a laser digital thermometer that you can get at Harbor Freight and other places of that sort for about $20 to $30 dollars. You can measure the temperature of the heads on side and near the sparks plugs (basically around the cylinder head).

**Some people say that you if you can hold your hand to a cylinder head for about 3sec then you should be ok......Well to me that is not a 100% reliable method, because we all have different heat tolerance of touch. I'll tell you 140 to 150degrees feels hot to me, but it is acceptable running temps. Best bet is just to get a temp reading with the old temp sticks or a laser digital thermometer....(they or cheap enough for a peace of mind and they can also be use to measure the temperature of cooking oil when frying a turkey(but that is another story).***


The thermostat(T-stat) partially opens around 135 to 140 degrees and is fully open around 160 degrees. The thermostat opens and allow water to circulate around the water jackets around the cylinders to maintain temperatures less than 163 degrees.

Exhaust relief hole or water indicator that is expelling or discharging water is an indicator that your water pump/ impeller is working only. It does not mean that your engine is properly being cooled and water is circulating around and through the water jackets.

Things that can cause an powerhead to over heat even though you have a good stream of water coming out of the exhaust relief hole or water indicator.

1. Stuck or obstructed Thermostat from salts, to junk, gunk and sand. Just bad T-stat

2. Obstructed passage to the cylinder heads caused by foreign material (bits of an old impeller), salts, and sand. (Obstructed water tube near power head or distorted water tube gromet)

3. Sand, salts or foreign material occluding the water jackets prevent water from circulating around both cylinders.( This happened to me and I removed the the cylinder head and cleaned out the passage ways and a new T-stat. My Evinrude 6hp was back in business)

4. Swollen water deflectors in larger motors and can be caused by an overheating situation. (these are never mentioned in service manuals)

5. Blown head gasket between cylinders that allows heated compressed air in the water jacket systems and prevent water from circulating.

6. Lean carburetor adjustment and not enough lubrication to inside the cylinders, pistons and rings.

If your engine is primarily used around salt water or sandy environments then chances are that statements 1, 2, or 3 are a high possibility. (So flush your motor well after a salt water run with fresh water)

If the motor is used but new to you, any of the situations could apply.

I'm sure some of the some the experts on this forum could easily supply more information.


I hope this helps you out and good luck!!!

cajuncook1
 

Cap'n Chaos

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Its odd that the heads barely seemed to get warm up until I decarbed and changed the plugs...

OK so I just pulled the thermostat cover expecting a rusty old thermostat and guess what... no thermostat!

So should I pull the head to inspect for blockages or drop the lower and see what is going on with the impeller - or both?

I can't see any reason I shouldn't do both, lol... I've done just about everything else I can do to get this motor "seaworthy".
 

Cofe

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Sounds, and looks like a faulty water pump.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

also without Tstat, the water runs so fast thru the block, heat transfer does not happen properly. i would drop lower unit, and flush out the water tube, while you have the Tstat covers off. i have also scrapped sand, salt, etc out of the exhaust chambers of those motors.
 

Cap'n Chaos

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

So I just dropped the LU to check the impeller and housing ( that was easier than I thought but getting all back was a little trickier)... its all fine... the impeller is soft and pliable, not nicked or melted or missing fins. The housing was smooth...

I guess my problem could be the head passages are clogged?
 

Solittle

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Wait just a second - - Cap'n you said you tried this thing in a bucket - - test again with the lower unit submerged in the lake or wherever. A bucket don't cut it.
 

Cap'n Chaos

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

I haven't given up the motor... just been busy.

I'll be picking up a thermostat tomorrow (and hopefully some bunk brackets for the trailer I found a little while back.)

I'm gonna see if I can get one of the 50gal drums from work, the plastic 12gal has a slow leak. This is gonna have to do until I can get the boat to the water, unless my lady will let me use her swimming pool. :D
 

Cap'n Chaos

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Alrighty then... I just put in the new T-stat, fired her up and now I have no telltale at all? I only let her run about 5 seconds before I shut her down.

When I dropped the lower to check the impeller I must have missed the water tube on re-assembly... sound about right?

What other stupid mistake might I have possibly made that I need to look for / correct?
 

Cap'n Chaos

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

I hope these posts in some way are helping someone...

My guess was pretty close. The grommet that sits in the top of the water pump is pushed down into the water pump itself. Time for a new grommet.



New issue:
Now I noticed when I went to drop the lower unit this time It didn't want to go into forward / reverse gear unless I turned the flywheel a little. I guess I didn't get the shift rod back into the connecting bracket at the correct height?

Am I even close on the solution to this new shifting problem?
 

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AlTn

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

turning the flywheel while shifting is the route to go...less stress on things that have to slide
 

boobie

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Bktheking, If I did what I seen in your vidio and where I think you dld it my wife would kill me. Unless it's your own personal test tank.
 

bktheking

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Isn't my vid, I just thought it was funny the first time I saw it, I'd never run a motor in a swimming pool.
 

Cap'n Chaos

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Re: Overheated but tell tale spraying water?

Well it doesn't pee any better than before... but it pees. :D The head stayed cool.

I guess for now I can call the motor "good" until I get her out on the water for some "real" testing.

Time to concentrate on the trailer and getting the rest of the gear I need so I CAN launch her...

THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR ALL THE HELP!! :D
 
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