Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

bruceb58

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

You took the time to completely ignore the part where I explain that some trucks are designed to tow in O/D AND to go by the manual.]
Sorry..didn't see the last sentence in your post.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

I had a Chevy S-10 (several years ago) with a stick shift. I called GM and they told me that the truck was not made for towing??
They weren't because the clutch couldn't hold up to the increased load.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

I tow with OD off just like my Tundra manual says. For my two cents the few mechanics I know and all my buddies that tow do so with o/D off and recommend it.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

As a former Ford tech... I can tell you that your wallet will become much lighter if you choose to tow with the over-drive on.

Agree and especially with Ford products so I and some friends and neighbors have found out.
Not having a go at Ford here by any means. Just stating some recent (last 3 years or so) facts from my experiences and some friends and neighbors.
I used to drive and tow with Ford vehicles for 15 years previously and loved their products.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

I had a Chevy S-10 (several years ago) with a stick shift. I called GM and they told me that the truck was not made for towing??

I'll never understand why any mfg. would build any truck that has no towing capability. I for one, if I didn't intend to tow anything, I'd buy a motorcycle.

I recently went looking for a new truck, wanting another Ranger I went to Ford first, but was told that the new 2.3L trucks, with a stick shift trans, have no towing rating and can't be had with any towing options. A call to Ford told me that they won't even recommend towing an aluminum jon boat. Since I won't buy the 4.0 due to past nightmares with that motor, I moved on to another brand, got the same thing from GM and Dodge on their base model trucks, either no tow rating or such a low rating it might was well be zero. I only buy American, so that pretty much ended my search for a new truck.

I've owned Explorers before, and had them for company cars. The transmission is the weakest link there, next to the 4.0L engine. The 5R55 is junk in my eyes. I had one company vehicle, driven only by me, lose the trans at 30,000 miles, 37,000, miles, 72,000 miles, and again at 104,000 miles. (The engine blew a timing chain at 40,000, and again at 90,000, it lost the distributor drive 7 times, and cracked a cylinder head three times), the rest of the truck was great, no other issues at all. This was on a truck that never towed, never saw big hills or off road, and one that was dealer serviced every 3,500 miles. They replaced it with a 5.0L model which ran flawlessly for 203,000 miles and for all I know is still on the road. The 6 cylinder Explorers had a smaller transmission than did the V8 models, from the first rendition of that transmission, it had reliability issues. The A4LD up to the many variations of the 5R55, it's still the same basic transmission. From past experience, the 4.0L for some reason has a better track record in manual trans vehicles, I suspect it had a lot to do with the added heat from the auto transmission.

In many cases, it's not the OD gear or clutches that are at fault, it's the lockup function in the torque converter. There's a thin single layer lock up clutch in many torque converters that just can't take repeated in and out operation for long, especially under heavy loads. A cooler helps some but on this type of converter, the only answer is to disengage the lockup function when towing. On some vehicles, a trailer tow or power switch will do this while still allowing OD to function.

On smaller transmissions, it's just a matter of the OD clutches simply being too small to handle the load and the added heat.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

They weren't because the clutch couldn't hold up to the increased load.

Huh? If the clutch can't handle the maximum torque output of the engine it will slip during hard acceleration and will wear out prematurely whether you're towing or not. In the other hand, if it's not slipping you can drive at WOT all day with zero clutch wear. There is more slip while getting a heavy load moving compared to an empty truck, but that applies to all manual transmission vehicles.
 

bruceb58

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

Huh? If the clutch can't handle the maximum torque output of the engine it will slip during hard acceleration and will wear out prematurely whether you're towing or not. In the other hand, if it's not slipping you can drive at WOT all day with zero clutch wear. There is more slip while getting a heavy load moving compared to an empty truck, but that applies to all manual transmission vehicles.
No...its not while driving, its while starting from a stop. The clutched developed too much heat while slipping from take off. They had numerous problems especially in the S-10s towing.
 

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Agree. More load = more slip when starting to move the load.
 

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I towed an 18' bass bote all over with an Astro van, basically an S10 with a van body. It takes about 10,000 miles to totally toast the torque converter clutch, then the constant locking and slipping doesn't bother you any more.:D

Changed the fluid and went another 100 grand or so. Truck officially died at 328,000 miles when all the doors fell off.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

Q - Turn off OD while towing?
A - If the manual says to the YES

Why - Because buying a little more gas is easier and cheaper than getting towed, being without your vehicle, possibly ruining your family outing, and paying for a transmission rebuild.

I hate to be harsh, but in my opinion you are a fool if you go against what the vehicle manual says in regard to this. If the manual says it's fine to tow in OD then go ahead, but if it says not to then don't. Pretty simple.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

Something that hasn't been brought up yet in regard to this topic is torque convertor lockup.. I've noticed in my crown vic and my dad's F150 (both have the 4r70w transmission) when they are NOT in OD they don't lock the convertor in 3rd gear, which creates more heat due to the convertor slip. In my crown vic I've gotten to where I do tow in overdrive until I hit a hilly section of highway.. towing on the open highway in 3rd vs towing in overdrive in my car is a 10-15* difference, it stays under 190* in overdrive, with overdrive off it tops 200*, though it never goes north of 205*.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

My 2003 Tundra V8 says to shut off OD when towing. I have towed both ways.

According to my source at the dealer in '03 and later Tundras they reworked the transmissions (planetary gears etc.) and it is OK to tow with OD on however Toyota won't honor warranty work if they find out.

I tow with the OD shut off these days because my Tundra has 104k miles and I really don't want to spend money to fix the transmission.

Towing with OD on I get 13.1 - 13.4 MPG.
Towing with OD off I get 11.2 - 11.5 MPG.
 

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I drive a 2001 F150 Super Crew with the 5.4L engine and have towed a boat with it since new. Weights have gradually increased as my boat budget has increased and my current rig weighs in around 3,500 lbs or so. I have ALWAYS towed in O/D. In fact, I won't tow with the O/D locked out because the engine runs at 600-700 rpms higher in 3rd than in O/D and my mileage drops off dramatically. With 124,000 miles on it at this point I can honestly say that I have never had an issue. Granted, I service the tranny every 40,000 miles or so but even then the fluid is darker but definitely not burnt. I don't see any change in engine temp when towing either and I do watch my gauges very closely. I have towed from Ohio up to Canada and down to Florida multiple times a year. I can say that if there was ever a reason to lock out the O/D it would be going through the Jellico section of I-75 and I don't even kick it off then. I let the tranny downshift when needed and do use engine braking to save on the brakes but otherwise it's O/D all the way. While some vehicles may benefit from towing with O/D locked out, I don't see it in my vehicle. Tow package factory works just fine. And I'll shock you all with another fact that I'm sure I'll get flamed for. At 124,000, I still have original plugs, original coils, original coolant and original components on my truck. (That'll curse me now I'm sure.) Apart from oil changes, filters and brakes, I've had to do nothing other than a rear U-joint. That's on a truck that does pretty much nothing else anymore but tow my boat. It runs great, 17mpg unloaded and 12 with the boat.

UFM82

I tow with a 99 Expedition 4X4, 5.4 that just turned 175,000. I can second this post, never an issue. I also use my F250 HD,4X4 5.8L. Seems the bigger vehicles, as they should handle things with less "wear & tear"......
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

I just wanted to share my head shake about original plugs and coolant at 124k.
Poor Ford but a testament to the durability of the modular Ford V8.
We're about to turn 200k on a 99 5.0 Exploder which is mostly original tho all the consumables have been replaced 4 or 5 times now, thats coolant, plugs and trans fluid.

Also its hard to beat the Ford 4R70 transmission for long life and durability, most other Ford automatic are suspect. Most GM transmissions are great.
Most 8 cylinder vehicles have a good transmission.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

Also its hard to beat the Ford 4R70 transmission for long life and durability, most other Ford automatic are suspect. Most GM transmissions are great.
Most 8 cylinder vehicles have a good transmission.

Agree with these statements. :)
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

My friend, if the manual sais OD OFF THEN OD OFF, I tow my 19 footer always OD OFF, no problema
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

I think the key here is the drivers understanding of torque converters and how they work.

If the torque converter unlocks, heat builds up quickly and that is death to a tranny. If the converter locks, unlocks back and forth, that is also a problem.

If the driver is aware and understands what is going on there will not be problems towing with OD on.

I tow with my Jeep Cherokee in OD on flat land, but if I'm going up a hill, and if the converter unlocks, I immediately turn off OD so the the tranny will shift down to 3rd and lock up. I turn OD back on when things level out again.

I've installed a tranny temp gage, and it is easy to see the results of letting the converter run unlocked.

So far this method has only worked for 150,000 miles, so it may be too early to tell :) :)

IMHO the reason that manufactures advise to tow with OD turned off is because that idiot proofs things. In our society no automobile manufacturer can assume that the driver will understand what he/she is doing. So, the simple choice is to advise leaving OD off.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

I've installed a tranny temp gage, and it is easy to see the results of letting the converter run unlocked.
That's actually one of the smartest things to do. That way, if you know you got the temps high on your fluid, you can change it out.
 

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Re: Turning overdrive off on flat highway important?

That's actually one of the smartest things to do. That way, if you know you got the temps high on your fluid, you can change it out.

Agree, great idea.
 
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