loss of power

Jrfount

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I'm at a bit of a loss on this one I still have a few ideas to try but any help would be appreciated. First of all the engine is 4.3lxh Gen+ (I don't have access to the S/N's right now) that was rebuilt approx. 2 years ago. My problem began during the last 5-10 minutes of a 5-6 hour run last week I noticed that my rpm's began dropping off by around 400-500 rpms even at wto my normal reading of 3500 was down to around 3000 stayed that way for a couple of minutes then gained about 200 rpms and that was all she would give. When I put the boat in the water the next day it took a couple of tries to crank which is unusual, and seemed to idle a little rougher than normal. More importantly I don't have any power out of that engine any more, it runs up to around 2200 rpms and boggs down like it's shoving a barge. Time to go to the shop, I've noticed there is an occasional knock coming from the engine (reminds me more of spark knock than mechanical) upon hard acceleration or decceleration. So here's what I know... the fuel pump, spark plugs, plug wires, distributor cap, rotor, and coil are all less than 2 months old; fuel pressure tests well within specs, , I rebuilt the carb even tried switching carbs with port engine(port runs better than ever now) replaced fuel filter, checked timing it was dead on and showed advance upon acceleration. Compression test bothers me 135246 respectively 180 120 150 170 150 150 no significant change when wet test was made, furthermore there are some minute flakes of metal in the oil not huge amounts but visible if your really looking (and honestly the sight of any metal at all makes me very worried), last but not least I have a rather large amount of emulsified water in the valve covers it's thick and the breather tubes coming off of the valve covers seem to be oozing it out (if this were one of my cars I would have the engine out the same day over a sight like this), there are also trace amounts of water on the plugs in cylinders 4 and 6 just drops on 4 and enough to fill the cavity around the electrode on 6, no water in the oil. There you have the long and short of it more so the long I suppose. Short of pulling heads and digging in I can't really think of much else to do but I've been impressed with the combined knowledge I've seen in other posts and I figured it would be worth a shot to see if any of ya'll had any other ideas. Thanks ahead of time and if there is anything I've forgotten just ask.
 

husaburg560

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Re: loss of power

Sounds like a blown head gasket to me,since the pressure didn't go up with the wet test.
 

jfount

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Re: loss of power

quick update I evacuated the oil with a pump and I've changed my mind on water in the oil it's there...it's definetly there.
 

novicetech

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Re: loss of power

hopefully headgasket and theres only one way to find out for sure.
 

Jrfount

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Re: loss of power

well here's an update, I pulled the heads and the gaskets appear to be in excellent condition, heads look solid no evidence of cracks the block is a little harder to examine but also no sign of cracks in the block(I've pulled the engine and oil pan for a better look still nothing visible) now heres what I did find I was digging around a spot that appeared rusted inside the exhaust manifold and poof it collapsed I would say there is a decent chance of several small leaks with the wall being that weak. So here's my next question without having ever seen very much water on the cylinders what are the odds that large amounts of water would make it into the oil as a result of a leaky exhaust manifold?? Thanks again. Oh yeah timing chain was out of specs as well.
 

waterone1@aol.com

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Re: loss of power

It is usually a good idea to do a compression test and a leakdown test before tearing into a motor. At this point we really don't know what shape your rings are in. You also said that the timing chain was out of spec. You further said that you found water in the oil. In my opinion, since the motor is out of the boat, and the pan is off...and the heads are off, why not do a complete rebuild ? That way when you are done, you know all is right. Of course, it is time for new manifolds and risers.
 

rbezdon

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Re: loss of power

So here's my next question without having ever seen very much water on the cylinders what are the odds that large amounts of water would make it into the oil as a result of a leaky exhaust manifold?? ] <br /><br />As you did not see the water in the oil at first, I doubt it is a large amount. Just think what a quart would do to the oil level alone. And yes, I would ecpet water from the manifilds could get into the oil pan. It leaks into the exhaust chamber when you sut down the engine and walk away (as in my case, due to my job for sometimes a week or 2). The water enters one of the cylinders with the exhaust valve open. It is much less viscus than oil and seeps between the rings. Seems logical to me.
 

Bondo

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Re: loss of power

Well,.....<br />At this point I think you've Found the water issue..........<br /><br />And,........<br />Seeing that the motors Out,........<br />I have to Agree with Waterone1,.....<br />You Still haven't found Where the metal in the oil came from,..............<br />I'd Rebuild it,+ Drop it back In,........<br />Unless you find Serious Damage elsewhere of course.............<br /><br />Is there any Detonation damage on the piston tops,..??
 
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