Question for veteran mechanics

rbezdon

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I just replaced the head gaskets on my 5.7. I burned a gasket for as yet, an undetermined reason (see the picture at the end of this posting). I asked many for ideas why this might happen and one veteran speed shop guy said he had seen this happen due to a crack (not visible) in a head bolt later discovered on reassembly. In the interest of making sure I didnt have the problem again, I bought a new set of head bolts along with the new gasket as well as a new torques wrench. When I installed the heads I couldnt get one bolt to make the torque wrench to "click" over set at 65 ft lbs. I finally retorques all the other bolts (on that head) and when I loosened that bolt and retorqued it just snapped off. I was just wondering if anyone else has ahd head bolts crack and cause gaskets to blow ot if they had new ones break off??<br /><br />By the way all is well though it cost me a couple of extra hours, I pulled the head again and was able to tap out the bolt with a screw driver and reset the head and use an old bolt (from the other head that didnt burn the gasket just in case!!). I will try to start her up later today.
 

Don S

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I don't know why your torque wrench didn't click, but I don't believe you kept tightening till you broke the bolt. Couldn't you notice it was a LOT tighter than 65 ft. lbs. ?<br />Sure hope you put a new head gasket on after removing the broken bolt. If you didn't, you will be posting soon that the new gasket leaked.
 

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I've had that same sort of thing happen on a Cat motor I used to have in My old Tractor/Trailer........<br />When it happened to Me,.... It was because of Bad Cleaning on My part.......<br />It was a Blind Hole that still had a little bit of Oil laying in it,..... The bolt Couldn't Tighten against the Oil........<br />Never had it happen on a SBC,.. But, That don't mean it Can't...........<br /><br />Even though Engine building is a Dirty, Greasey Job,...........<br />Cleanliness is of the Upmost Importance........ ;)
 

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If the bolt bottomed out or sized in the hole it would have clicked the wrench. I would say the bolt was defective is the reason it snapped before it reached torque specs. Ive seen this many times. It usually seems the bolt will just keep turning without tightening, and if you just keep turning it will snap.<br /><br />
posted by Don<br />Sure hope you put a new head gasket on after removing the broken bolt.
Ditto <br /><br />But, if you didnt you can also torque it to max specs + 2/3 lbs it will "most likely" be OK :confused:
 

rbezdon

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I dont believe it either Don. I have put on dozens of heads before. In fact, I put on the starboard head first, all OK. Then the port. I put in all the bolts, set the wrench for 40 and torques, then 50 and the 4th or 5th bolt seemed to turn more than the others to get there then set the wrench for 65 and went around again. The same bolt wouldnt "click" so I finished the rest and came back to it and tried again. It made at least another 1/4 turn and POP (and a loud aw -sh** insued almost simultaneously). Replaced everything, including bolt from the old "good" side. Logic tells me I twisted it off by making to too tight but I did the torques in steps like the gasket instructions said. I cant believe I just twisted it till it broke either. I did all the others and the reinstall OK. I am just a bit more experienced that that although this is a new torques wrenck, click type. I used to have the pointer typr, had that one since I was a kid. The scale was broke off though so I bought a new one to get this right as I am thiinking the original problems was from a bad torques job from the rebuilders.
 

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By the way Bondo, I cleaned out the hole from the old sealer "I thought". Maybe there was some thing in there but it still should have clicked before I broke it I think. Then I had a big mess to clean up with the new sealer in all the holes and it was still liquid. Thanks for the post!! Good thing I wasnt doing this in a shop. All the hours I took now I would have lost a ton.!!
 

rbezdon

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Thanks Reel Poor. I am glad to hear that is not unheard of o twist a bolt off. Frustrating as the reason I bought new ones was to avoid the possibility I had a bad one before!!
 

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I ALWAYS finger spin the bolts in first to make sure I have no problems.........
 

Sagabu

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Were they tourque to yeild bolts ???<br /> Some places are using them even as replacements.
 

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Tourque to yeild bolts are 1 time use only. Some call them "stretch bolts" .I have had them even fail new as you discribed.<br /> Most of the auto parts stores sell them as replacements these daze and most manufacturers use them as well from 90s up.<br /> Regular bolts are usualy special order or can be found at Jegs or Summit (ARP are excellent).<br /> If they originaly reused theses T/Y bolts on your rebuild, it may explain the failure.<br /> They may retourque, but will not stay!!!<br /> Dont know about Marine engine builders, but it would make since.<br /> Ill recomend a light coat of copper head gasket spray for the gasket job.
 

steve n carol

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Vatter, where on the gasket did it fail? or 'burn' as you said?...sl
 

rbezdon

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Thanks for the postings guys. Ben gone boating for a whole day!!! From Sat night to Sunday night. Longest boat ride of the year!! The boat ran the beat it has since the rebuild. I still have a hesitation when I go to WOT from a standing start but I think I need to reset the rear choke plate hold off on my Qjet. I think I messed with it trying to get the bog out. But if I took off a 3/4 throttle and the open it after on plane I was getting to 4600 Rpm no problem again!!<br /><br />On the bolts, I bought the new set from a high performance auto engine rebuilder locally. They were the regular style not torque to yeild. I have no idea what the rebuilder put in though. They are an auto and marine rebuilder and I think they do more autos so who knows.<br /><br />On the gasket Steve, it burned from #6 to the bolt in the space between #6 and #8 and also from #8 to the same bolt creating a 3/8" wide burn path from #6 to #8 through the bolt. Since it went this way, no oil passages or water passages were bridged to so the engine ran (poorly) but no water in the oil or excessive smoke fron oil consumption.
 

rbezdon

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For any one interested to see where the head gasket burned I took a picture of it just before putting it in the trash. Also, I have never posted a pic so I am using this as an excuse to try it out!!!!<br /><br />
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ottawamerc

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huh where's the rest of the steel sealing ring? I hope you had it to!<br />Ottawa
 

Olds Eddie

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Next time you need head bolts get ARP bolts. Automotive Racing Products has the finest bolts out there for a small block chevy. If you break one of these you brag about it. The head gasket looks like it had been blown for a long time.
 

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Hope ya don't mind,I wanted to try posting a photo also.
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rbezdon

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ottawa, yes, the whole sealing ring was there except at the burn. I actually pulled them off trying the magnet thing to see if they were stainless, they were.
 

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Glad for you Vat.<br /><br />Now, if the weather would only cooperate a bit for me so I can get this bug worked out... rain in the forcast again! :mad:
 
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