350 SBC Vortec Conversion

FreeBeeTony

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I am contemplating converting my '92 350 Magnum to a Vortec by replacing the heads and manidold.<br />Looks like a simple conversion but I have a couple of questions:<br /><br />1) Can I use the same rocker arms and pushrods?<br /><br />2) Will my accessories bolt on to the heads? (P/S, Heat Exchanger brackets, etc..)<br /><br />Can't think of anything else at the moment....
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

It still won't be a Vortec...you will need to install the Vortec roller cam and lifters.<br />A 92 block should have the holes for the guides.
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

It already has roller lifters and cam.<br /><br />I think it was replaced with a long block in '01.<br /><br />Another question: how nuch HP will I gain?
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

1) I Believe So,......<br /><br />2) Ayuh,..... Absolutely,.........<br /><br />3) About what Dennis says about converting Your heads to Big Valves.......... 25/35hp....<br />(when you have your heads checked,.. Ask the Shop How Much for those Big valves)<br /><br />It's the Efficiency of the Vortecs,......<br /><br />The trick is to get the Quench right at .040s......<br />Better than 9/1 compression ratios on Regular Pump Gas......<br /><br />I'm also Still baffled,.... I don't see any Real Reason for your Issues,... Yet........ :( <br /><br />Good Luck Tony..........<br /><br />Oh,.. BTW,... I ran the #s on your heads at mortec.com,+ they're Standard(light weight) production heads from the dates for your motor........
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Just a sugestion Tony...why don't you google a SBC/350Chevy forum. Those car nuts will have your answers in seconds.....
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Thanks guys.........<br /><br />Bondo......in order to get the quench right you need to change pistons (I think)......don't want to get into that..... :) <br /><br />I already started searching for a pair of heads.....looks like I can get a pair of heads for ~$200, machine shop says ~300 for reconditioning......+ another ~250 to open the valves.......<br /><br />If I go this route I will probably leave the stock valves in.........<br /><br />I also have to buy a manifold!<br /><br />I don't want to beef it up too much where I put the drive in danger either.........<br /><br />From what I have seen the vortec engines are rated @ ~300+ HP......if I opened the valves I would probably be at ~325.....would that be dangerous? remember this is in a 24' Grady.......I would like more power to turn a bigger prop and keep the revs down.......don't intend on running past 3500 RPM's......
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

The Quench is somewhat adjustable with headgasket Thicknesses,.............<br /><br />$200.00 for used light weight castings,......(not the best castings to start with)<br />$300.00 for machine time,........<br />$500.00 equals the price of Brand New bolt'm on,+ Go Vortecs............<br /><br />Check out this search I just did,.. Search......................... <br />About 1/2 way down the page,...$500.00 Brand New,.... Free Shipping.......<br /><br />Robby is Right,......<br />Take a wander over Here <br />And over Here <br />You have to sift thru the Kids,... But there's some Real Good SBC info in these places........
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Thanks Bondo.........that is a pretty good deal....wonder if I could find ones with the bigger valves?......... :) <br /><br />Tell me more about the head gasket......do I have to worry about the valve clearance with respect to the piston?<br /><br />I also found a few forums.....gotta regioster to post..........<br /><br />keep in touch!
 

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wonder if I could find ones with the bigger valves?.........
That's where the Efficiency comes in,........<br />Vortecs with 1.94 valves will flow as good,.. or Better than the heads you have Now,.. With the 2.02 valves.....<br />
do I have to worry about the valve clearance with respect to the piston?
Your pistons have the Valve Reliefs,......<br />Shouldn't be any problems,........
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

I was reading a somewhere and they used 1.6:1 rockers........if I buy the heads in the link you gave me I would need to buy rockers.......should I get 1.6:1? Would I need to worry about valve clearance then?
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Not sure but compression ratio could be a problem. I believe vortec engines have dished pistons and small combustion chambers. If you have flat top pistons the compression ratio may be too high with the vortec heads.
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

That's the kind of thing I am not aware of.......<br /><br />Bondo, is that what you were talking about by adjusting the thickness of the head gasket?
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Just got off the phone with a local machine shop / engine builder, they said the compression shouldn't go up more than 0.50. According to the manual, the stock compresion is 9.3:1, so I would be at 9.8:1.........would that be ok? Does this sound right?<br /><br />What would be the problem? Would I then have to run on higher octane fuel? Really don't want to have to buy "high Test"!
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Tony,...... Google up Vortec Heads,............<br /><br />You'll be All Weekend digesting the Info......... ;) <br />The 1st hit is a pretty good paper,+ the guy says to Avoid the 906s I have because the Exhaust Valve Seat is alittle restrictive,.. they came off the Truck engine....<br /><br />Your Pistons shouldn't be any problem at All,......<br />I went back,+ looked,.... You have 4 valve reliefs,+ a small centered dish......<br />Your Not going to be running a Tall Cam,.....<br />I don't see Any Valve to Piston Issues..........<br /><br />You need to find out how Deep your pistons are at TDC,... How far Below the Block Deck.....??<br /><br />Go Google,.....
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

9.8 might be a little on the high side for regular gas. Did they tell you what the combustion chamber volumn is. I just built a 350 with flat top pistons and early 76 cc chamber heads and the compression ratio calculated out to 9.04.<br />I thought the vortecs were about 60 cc's with a larger dish in the piston. I would try to keep the compression ratio close to what vortec Mercruiser or Crusader is. Crusader spec is 9.4 and I believe Mercruiser is the same.
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

The more I read the more I am considering going for the vortecs........and it looks like I could get a new pair for ~$500........glad you suggested that Bondo......I would have been pi**ed if I paid the same money to have a pair of junkyard ones rebuilt.<br /><br />Are the ones on ebay the right casting #? At the end of the description it calls for both casting #'s.<br /><br />I found a compression calculator online...have to get all the numbers.<br />Looks like the vortec's have a 64cc chamber.<br /><br />What about going to 1.6:1 rockers?<br /><br />Which head gasket should I use?<br /><br />Not getting much response from the hotrodder sites.......
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

Just used the calculator.......I think I would need a 0.06 compressed head gasket to keep the compression down to ~9.5:1 with the 64cc vortec chamber assuming the piston has about a 4cc dish. I estimated this with the calculator assuming the manual is right that the stock compression is 9.3:1 with a 75cc compression chamber on the existing heads.<br /><br />I am really learning something here...!!!
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

compression will be fine .. not only does actual compression matter but the better burn of the combustion chamber will keep it from detinating<br /><br />Im running 4 valve flattop pistons in my 4.3 with vortech's and not having any problem ..If you did a degree or 2 of timing drop would fix it<br /><br />voortech's have alot of plusses over older gm heads .. well worth the swap<br /><br />I'd say stick with 1.5 ratio rockers so you dont have to worry with coil bind on the valve springs<br />or pushrod clearnce where they pass thru the heads
 

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Re: 350 SBC Vortec Conversion

nope completly flat with 4 reliefs <br />sealed power H345ncp ... same part # for 350 or 4.3
 
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