Mercury 200 EFI overheating

Unkel Jed

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I have a 1997 BassCat that I bought 3 yrs ago.. When I bought it, it had been sitting for several years.. Anyway, I have everything cleaned, new waterpump, and it looks to be peeing ok but kinda weak at idle... I took it out one time last year and ran great.. Been out a couple times this year and have had overheating problems... Put ear muffs on it today it ran maybe 3 mins then alarm started going off.. HEEEEELP!!! I'm out of ideas..
 

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Also has no power when trying to get up on plain....This has happend last 2 times I went out and had to put back on trailer to try and find problem..
 

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Hooked hose to top side and was peeing strong stream, so thinking it could be issue with water pump
 

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Water pump is new and put thermostats in hot water and they worked like they should..
 

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If driveshaft turns clockwise should the fins on impeller turn clockwis too??? If so how is that done seeings how turning the shaft made the fins go ccw
 

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Not sure I understand the question but this might help......the fins bend back CCW as the impeller turns CW

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Your water pump is installed incorrectly. Someone turned the shaft the wrong way when the pump was dry. I would suggest a new water pump and new thermostats, if it still gets hot then its time to change your poppet valve.
 

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Sam Am I...... Thanks for the info... Impeller blades are going the right way!! Now wondering if I'm not getting enough water up to the top of the motor... Is it possible that the tube might have pushed up too far..
 

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Well the metal tube in the mid section doesn't/shouldn't move up or down per-se................it just slides down inside the water pump's plastic tube when the two halves go together.
 
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I suppose the plastic tube could lift up out of the pump neck and could ride up the metal tube too far, the metal tube doesn't have a flare to limit how far the plastic could go up but, the plastic tube should sit in the pump neck sorta snug so it doesn't ride up the metal tube.

But yes, correct, there is NO seal (not on mine/92 175) where the metal tube slides inside the plastic tube............There however (just something else to check while your there) should be a rubber collar/spacer down inside the water outlet neck of water pump that the other side of the plastic tube seats on when slid into the water pump!!

Mine uses one, ya might want to check you have one, if it isn't there then i'd think the plastic tube would sit inside lower, perhaps too low!! Make sure you have one or confirm their isn't suppose to be one if you don't see it there.

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Get out some soapy water. Assuming the bottom of the pump housing and liner are in place, lower unit on the work bench in a vise with drive shaft up.

Install the impeller locking key in the slot in the drive shaft. Some Vaseline petroleum jelly will help to hold it in place while you do the next step.

Get the impeller good and soapy then slide down the shaft and into position, ensuring that it slides over and locks into the slot in the impeller key you just installed.

Slide the cover down till it touches the impeller blades.

With a pair of Vise Grips, rotate the DRIVE shaft CW as you look at it at eyeball level still in the vise and while doing so, start putting pressure on the cover assembly. As you continue the process the top outer tips of the impeller will fold back and slide under the cover and continuing, the whole impeller will be consumed.....keep pressure on the cover after that happens and you locate the mounting bolts and get them in place.

You need some sort of seal at both ends of the copper tube and it has to be relatively straight.....on newer engines, (my 2002 had it) there is now a bracket in the midsection that holds the tube in place while you remove the LU making it a LOT easier to get the job done.....no looking up into the bottom of the block, trying to stab the tube and hold onto it while you manuever the LU in place.

Some have posted that the impeller will correct itself. I have never seen a cutaway of one in action and doubt that many if any person has seen such, other than OEM test engrs/techs. Common sense leads me to believe that the blades do not have enough space to do that considering the last ⅓ is all that beds as proven by the shape of old impellers that have been sitting a long time and have taken a "set".....permanent bending of the last ⅓ from sitting for long periods in the cramped part of the eccentric water chamber.

You don't need new parts. The resiliency of the new one you just installed will allow you to pull the cover up, spray with soapy water, and twist and push as I stated above. The impeller doesn't get brittle for a very long time.....I took the one out of my '02, first time changed, in '12 (10 years) and although it had a set, I could bend the blades back to straight and there was no cracking of the back side where it had been crimped, kinked line showing, but no splitting of the material. It inched back to the set condition, but the point I am making here is that it wasn't brittle.
 

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I suppose the plastic tube could lift up out of the pump neck and could ride up the metal tube too far, the metal tube doesn't have a flare to limit how far the plastic could go up but, the plastic tube should sit in the pump neck sorta snug so it doesn't ride up the metal tube.

But yes, correct, there is NO seal (not on mine/92 175) where the metal tube slides inside the plastic tube............There however (just something else to check while your there) should be a rubber collar/spacer down inside the water outlet neck of water pump that the other side of the plastic tube seats on when slid into the water pump!!

Mine uses one, ya might want to check you have one, if it isn't there then i'd think the plastic tube would sit inside lower, perhaps too low!! Make sure you have one or confirm their isn't suppose to be one if you don't see it there.

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The tube fits real loose that's why I was thinking it could ride up the metal tube.. Maybe trying to get everything lined up and couldn't see it move up.. Dunno..
 

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Perhaps slide a snug fitting slice of hose or something that has the ID close to the OD of the metal pipe up the metal pipe?

Slide it up far enough to where it'll prevent the plastic tube from going beyond it if the plastic tube tries to ride up. Let the two butt up against each other but it will still allow the metal to go into the plastic tube the proper distance.

Tie wrap or hose clamp would work worst case as well.

or....

Could also use a bit of RTV and semi-fasten the plastic tube into the neck of the pump.
 
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The clear/white plastic tube is just a guide tube and will slide up copper tube freely...it does not seal anything.
 

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FB is spot on!! Glad he chimed in, I still have to put mine up, guess I would have soon found out soon enough..........Check the end of the metal pipe with the lower edge of the mid section.......The metal pipe sits up inside the mid section only about an inch or so. However, the neck of the water pump sits up like 2 inch above the upper edge of the lower unit. (lower edge of mid section mate to upper edge of lower unit)..

Looks like the end of the metal tube seats tight into #40 above when the two half's mate up, the plastic tube just lines ya up to get there.......thx FB!!

I'll lithium the end of the metal pipe so it slides into #40 easily on mating the half's I reckon
 
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Unkel Jed

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I glued the plastic tube into the pump so maybe that will help me out... Blew out all water line and they weren't clogged anywhere so now we put it back together and see what happens.... Water pump was good.. Something else that might have happend was I put pump housing on too tight..It was really hard to get off when I tore it down..Wee'l see in a bit..
 

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Got it put back together and put in trashcan to smoke test.... At idle it spits and sputters, at 1500 rpm it pees a good stream.. At 1800 it pees a really good stream.. I'm hoping I got it this time.. 3rd time is a charm... I let it run 10 mins or so, heads were cool to the touch... Thanks everyone for your help!!
 
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