Will I be underpowered

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Doug Durako

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Re: Will I be underpowered

es---please read carefully--I said $14K wholesale, not retail. I never pay retail for a used boat because you don't have to if you look hard enough.<br /><br />I'll try to be to the point.<br /><br />The boat is underpowered.<br />You can get more power for the money.<br /><br />Don't take my word for it----Read thousands of posts on this forum which start out something like "How do I get more power out of . . . "
 
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I have a 242 Sportcraft Walkaround - which I would imagine as being somewhat similar to the boat you are looking at. It originally came with a 5.0 liter engine and Alpha 1. When I bought it the engine was shot, so I put in a 5.7 liter Mercruiser crate engine. I believe it is rated at 250 HP. I don't know the weight of this boat, but I know it is heavy! Anyway, I am happy with the power it has... for what I use it for. I cannot imagine pulling a skier however. It is simply too big and heavy for a quick hole shot.
 
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es, I have a 1987 Sea Ray 210 Monaco that's a cuddy. It was supposed to have the 5.7, but the original owner had a 454 installed. I'm not totally happy with the 454, just because of the weight, and I had a hydro-lock issue, which was my own fault. But that said, with 330 hp and 1000 lbs of folks on board, as said earlier, there are hole shot and planing issues. I have to keep the crew in the front, if I want the one in the water out quickly. The power's there, it's just a big boat. I don't think you'll be happy with it. JMHO
 
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Hmmmmm....I wonder why I never here anyone say my boat has way too much power! How can I slow it down?
 
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i would think you might look at a different hull if you want to do much skiing or wake boarding. that was not the true intended design of this boat. you can actually ski behind a 50 ft houseboat, but the problem becomes more obvious there. i have worked for years with small boat builders in ths south... It seems that a small cuddy with a small engine is very popular in the north, where the boating season is shorter, and due to rougher water, wide open speed is not a issue. you have to remember, boat builders try to build what will sell, they dont want left over inventory sitting on the lot. if you purchase this boat, and find that it doesnt have enought power for you, all the components are there for power increase. A merc 6.2 or a 383 will physically take up the same space. I have a 266 rinker, it came with a 5.7 that dropped a valve last december. I am in the process of installing a 383 mercruiser, i think this will give me plenty of power, anything more and i would have a hard time on the resell end... good luck!
 
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I am learning! Gave up on the Rinker 232 with the 5.0. Did find a Rinker 232, same layout, with a 350 mag. MPI and Bravo 3 outdrive. Is this a better choice? (I know about the B3 corrosion issue)<br />The boat is a year newer, has a Capt's call exhaust, and is $4500 more. Have not contacted the seller but NADA ranges from $21,400 - $26,600<br />(Trailer included in those figures). Selling under top book but not by much. <br />I have no way of knowing wholesale prices so if you can throw those to me it will make be a more informed consumer, obviously. <br /><br />If I were to make up a list of boats I have located would you all help me choose the best option. I will present them to you in a different topic in groups of 3. If you will pick the best from each group we can narrow them from there. You simply need to reply 1, 2, or 3. and I'll keep a running tally. Eventually WE not I should be able to choose a boat that will make US ALL proud. As well, I'll continue to learn and you will have the joy of knowing you helped a man on a journey that may otherwise have had a regretful ending!<br /><br />Thanks so much for your help,<br /><br />Smitty
 
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By the way... SKIING AND WAKEBOARDING ARE MINOR CONCERNES! We're all too old and beat up for that. The occassional tubing adventure is not out of the question and I don't think HP and holeshot are AS critical when tubing.<br /><br />Smitty
 
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Re: Will I be underpowered

Originally posted by swansont:<br /> es, I have a 1987 Sea Ray 210 Monaco that's a cuddy. It was supposed to have the 5.7, but the original owner had a 454 installed. I'm not totally happy with the 454, just because of the weight, and I had a hydro-lock issue, which was my own fault. But that said, with 330 hp and 1000 lbs of folks on board, as said earlier, there are hole shot and planing issues. I have to keep the crew in the front, if I want the one in the water out quickly. The power's there, it's just a big boat. I don't think you'll be happy with it. JMHO
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A 454 only weighs 133 lbs more than a 350. I think there's something wrong if you have holeshot issues with a 330HP 454 in a 21 foot boat. That thing should get on plane in it's own length. My 25 footer has a 454 and it pops up on plane with no problem at all and without using tabs, even with 10 people on board. I only use my tabs to adjust running attitude.
 
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Smitty---I get my prices from the ABOS Marine Blue Book. My company keeps them around. Cost about $50. The book lists the original cost of the boat, then a wholesale and retail value factoring depreciation to the current year.<br /><br />Boats depreciate about 20 percent the first year (that's why the "deals" are at the boat shows for the 2005 models). Then 10 percent or more per year after. If they had the boat for sale last November, sorry, but I want 10 percent more taken off for 2006 depreciation. Fact of life.<br /><br />Go to boattradeonline.com and compare the exact vessel you are looking at to several others across the country. NADA is helpful, but usually is a bit high on all the bells and whistles. Most of that is standard equipment.<br /><br />The motor upgrade you mention, 350 mag/B3, is about a $5k upgrade from the 5 liter.<br /><br />That combo will plane much faster and cruise easier in the size boat you are looking at.<br /><br />Good luck!
 
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DD, Thanks for the info. I apologize in advance for asking you to do this. Can you look up this boat for me? I promise not to burden you too often but I need this info. in order to progress. I'll be ordering my own ABOS soon.<br /><br />2001 Rinker 232 Captiva Cuddy<br />350 Mag MPI (400 hrs)<br />Bravo 3 with guage<br />Trim Tabs<br />Captain's Call Exhaust<br /><br />Snap in Carpet<br />L-Shaped Seating<br />Cockpit sink<br />Porta-Potti<br />Stereo with disk changer<br /><br />Trailmaster Tandem Axle Trailer Included.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br />Smitty
 
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ES, the bigger the moter the more weight there is aft and the harder it is to get out of the hole. Especially for boats with deep or modified V hulls.. the flatter the hull the easier on plane, however it will be a killer at WOT. It all comes down to compromise. The deeper the V the deeper in the water it rides but the smother it is in heavy seas or chop, but the more tippy it will be and the more power you will need to get her on plane. Flat botoms are fairly stable side to side and plane off easy but slam the chop, but need less power to plane.<br /><br />Also, you'll be surprised how much power a tube require to get on top of the water... Its easier to pull a skier out of the whole...
 
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Latest book I have is 2005. You need to find a 2006 book because sometimes there is a fairly large decrease after a boat hits age 5.<br /><br />Wholesale on that rig through the end of last year was about $23K with the motor upgrade on the boat and $1500 on the trailer. These numbers are not set in stone---I always leave room for negotiation.<br /><br />Is that the original motor? With 400 hours I would want to see all maintenance records---the actual receipts of all work done.<br /><br />You might want to start a new thread asking these guys out here if there were any issues with that motor and drive combination in that year---recalls, bulletins from Mercury, etc.
 
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That helps a lot dd. I'm calling the owner tonight to find out the particulars. Plan on going this week to see it if all is good. I'll start the thread shortly.<br /><br />Asking price is 25K so he's not TOO far out of line. Looked up ABOS book and found price of $86! I'll call my banker friends to see if they have anything to help me.<br /><br />Smitty
 
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Just talked the the owner of the Rinker. He is the original owner and had service performed by a professional at a local marina since new. Has records of all service. <br />Engine has 150 hours NOT 400 as originally posted. He divulged that there is some damage to the port side graphics. Upon request he sent me photo of it. Seems to be somewhat chewed up but could not see gelcoat damage. I'll look closer when I go see the boat Friday. As well, the skeg paint looks a little worn with some scratches but no visible corrosion in photo. I assume this could be normal wear and tear especially if power loading. <br /><br />Called the banker buddies and they are looking up '06 ABOS values. Should have them tomorrow. <br /><br />Smitty
 
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We had a 23' Bayliner with a 305 (5.0) carberurated version (It was a 1982 model).<br /><br />It got up and went good with 6 of us in it, maybe same people weight you are referring to.<br /><br />Pulling a skiier tho - it'd get up and pull almost anything and it MIGHT pull a lighter skiier up out of the water, or if the skiier really knew what they were doing..<br /><br />Take it out for a run! :)
 
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esmith,<br /><br />I agree with dd, the B3 will provide for good hole shot and the 350 MAG will probably run that boat right at 50 MPH WOT at sea level.<br /><br />BTW, I have always liked the looks of the 232. The scratches are a good thing, use it to drive his price down and they can easily be tidied up. I would not worry about some scratches on the skeg. Very normal. I would however, look for evidence of a complete repair of the skeg, also could be OK if the repair was done properly and they had the drive apart. Could actually be a "fresher" drive if you follow. Nothing wrong with properly repaired stuff . . . Good luck!
 
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Just got email from banker AND insurance agent. They can only get hold of NADA guides... same as us for the most part. Cannot get original MSRP or wholesale value. I thought it would be a lot easier to get ABOS numbers. Guess I'll have to go on '06 figures. <br /><br />Any other suggestions as to where I could get that infor WITHOUT buying $86 worth of info I'd use once?<br /><br />Smitty
 
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Sorry, guess I'll have to go on '05 figures<br /><br />Smitty
 
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