Converting from points

jamesr1

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I was thinking about converting my merc 140 to electronic. I have read that this is a fairly simple project and was hoping to get some details on what exactly is involved. Also if someone could provide me a link to the correct part. Thanks in advance...
 

RubberFrog

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Re: Converting from points

You're probably looking for a Pertronix kit. Try searching for something like this "mercury points to electronic distributor conversion".
 

Haut Medoc

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Pertronix.....There is a ton of info in the 'search' function on this subject....JK
 

KaGee

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An easy switch... 30 minutes or less.
 

jamesr1

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Re: Converting from points

Pertronix part# 91146A This shows for AC Delco 4 cylinder, and is the Igniter2. Dont want to get the wrong part and fry something other than fish this spring...
 

ron7000

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download the 2005 entire catalog from pertronix.com and look under marine applications, page 34 I think. Their marine link goes to the auto catalog so don't use that, get the whole catalog.<br /><br />At minimum you need the pertronix module. You can go with the pertronix I type and use your original coil (i think). Would be the least amount of work and money spent. The module is really simple to install under the distr cap, it's on its own plate and secured with 2 screws. There's a magnetic sleeve that slips on the distr shaft under the rotor. Only thing you would replace in the future is the rotor and cap.<br /><br />Their is also a matching coil, the flamethrower I goes with the ignitor I, the flamethrower II with ignitor II. I recommend you get the coil and not shortchange yourself on the upgrade by using your existing coil.<br /><br />Their ignitor II is supposed to be better than the ignitor I. I have both for the same motor and cannot tell any difference between the two to be honest. But I recommend the II since it is definitely higher power, the II coil has lower ohms than the I. Wiring hookup is stupid simple. Also consider your spark plug wires, the ignition upgrade won't do jack if your wires are bad and causing problems. They have their flamethrower spark plug wires. I have them also and they are fine. No better than any others or oem, but be aware it's a do-it-yourself kit so you need to be able to crimp the ends on properly.<br /><br />I bought mine from http://www.cbsperformance.com/ quite a few years ago. Ordered by phone, they were great to talk to. You can also find pertronix from jegs, summittracing, jcwhitney dot com. Maybe even Napa auto parts, or pepboys or vatozone but they probably won't know how to look it up and order you the wrong one.
 

jamesr1

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Re: Converting from points

Downloaded the manuall and the part # is the same. Just a couple more questions. Will the igniter 2 work with my existing coil? Does the coil need to be marine grade? (I am guessing not because it did not specify a marine grade coil) I would like to upgrade my coil to the flamethrower 2,as well as wires, but the resources are not available at this time.
 

love1u0

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Re: Converting from points

Im going to do this to my Sea Ray...sooo tired of messing with the points.
 

Fishermark

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I did this for my dad's boat - he also has the same engine you have basically. I put in the Ignitor I, but if I had to do it over again I would have gotten the ignitor II. The main difference seems to be that if you accidently leave the ignition on with the engine not running for a length of time you can burn out the Ignitor I, but the Ignitor II is supposed to have some sort of safety built in so it doesn't get harmed. Anyway, that was a year or two ago and it has worked great ever since.
 

ron7000

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Re: Converting from points

Originally posted by jamesr1:<br /> Will the igniter 2 work with my existing coil? Does the coil need to be marine grade?
no it doesn't need to be marine grade, no such thing really. The traditional oil filled or epoxy filled coils is what they all are.<br /><br />Yes you can use it with your existing coil.<br />All that would happen is you wouldn't achieve maximum possible spark than with using their brand coil or other quality coil of same performance. When I first bought the ignitor 1, I used my original coil with no problems then upgraded that later on. A warning watch out for coils advertising high performance for $30-60. I bought a no-name one from jcwhitney which was junk, it was a 60k volt one for $39. I figured less expensive, more than the 40k volt flamethrower, good deal. Motor would sputter after 5 minutes running at 3k rpm. Coil would overheat and temporarily fail till it cooled. Put my $10 coil from points ignition back in an no problems till I finally got around to buying the flamethrower 1.<br /><br />what you also have to watch out for is the internal resistance of the coil. Lower internal resistance, such as 0.6 or 1.0 ohms versus 1.5 or 2 ohms, will flow more current (power) and in the case of points would cause them to burn out quickly. If you flow too much current, it'll burn out any electronic ignition module also. This would happen for instance if you used the flamethrower 2 coil at 0.6 ohms with the ignitor 1 instead of the flame 1 coil at 1.2 or 1.5 ohms which the ignitor 1 was designed for. For this reason, buy the ignitor 2 and then you can upgrade to almost any coil safely later on. Plus the ignitor 2 has more features and just worth it in the long run.
 

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When i coverted, I added the Flamethrower coil.<br />Since the Igniter requires 12 volts anyway, I went with the 3 ohm coil and bypassed the resistor wire. Have to say, the engine fires up a second or two quicker.<br /><br />Double checked the timing too and it never moved a bit.<br /><br />Throw your old points and plate in a baggie and save for emergency.<br /><br />Bought both on Ebay.
 

KaGee

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Yep.I believe it's the same guy too!
 

HT32BSX115

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I put a Pertronix unit in my 1955 Ford F-600 (239 OHV V-8, 12v system) It just works. no more points! I also used the old coil too. The Ford 460 in the FourWinns is next! I'll have to do the simple circuit mod for the OMC Electronic Shift Assist though. Has anyone had to do this and does it work ok?
 

KaGee

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CDI/RAPAIR (?) Makes a replacement ESA that needs no mods for Pertronix upgrades. I bought one last year for under $70. Or You can do the diode mod if you are nifty with soldering and wiring.
 

cobra 3.0

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I have the Pertronix II, added some high performance wiring (which I believe is REQUIRED for the 45,000 volt Flamethrower II coil), and the Flamethrower II coil on my OMC cobra 3.0. I did the "simple circuit mod" no problems. I can't say that the boat runs any faster than before, but everything does work flawlessly. I kept the old points, condensor, wiring, and coil on board just in case something fails . I have had it now for two seasons and love it. Use all Pertronix components and you won't regret your purchase.
 

MrBill

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Cobra is right...move up to the Pertronix II, improved advance and circuitry that prevents frying the ignition system if the key is left in the "on" position while the engine is not running, that alone is worth the extra cost. Here's a link for the best price on Pertronix equipment, although these guys don't have the best catalog and parts look-up. <br /><br /> http://www.carshopinc.com/ <br /><br />These guys are great to do business with, call them or look up the right part numbers on the Pertronix web site, then plug into CarShop and voila, about $90 for Petronix II. I installed last spring...my only regret is not doing it five years ago.
 

jamesr1

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Re: Converting from points

I am going to order the igniter 2. Thanks to all for the input.
 

JustMrWill

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Ok...may be a dumb question but I have learned the hard way...when it comes to my boat...ASK FIRST then BUY..<br /><br />I see people recommend replacing spark plug wires while replacing coil etc...sounds like a great idea...but<br /><br />What should I be looking for in spark plug wires? I see 7mm and 8mm..and all kinds of other stuff. Is there a "marine" standard or "requirement" or just plain "best sense" when purchasing wires? <br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />-JMW<br />ps sorry if I hi-jack thread..but this seemed like it was related.
 
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