Setting float level on a 2bbl holley

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Hi everyone!<br /><br />Does any 1 know how to set the float level correctly on a 2bbl holley (3.0 volvo penta)??<br /><br />Thanx,<br /><br />Alex
 

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Re: Setting float level on a 2bbl holley

if you can post some pictures I can probably tell you how. If the fuel bowl does not have any type of sight plug, then the float is usually set so that the top of the float is parallel with the top edge of the fuel bowl when holding the fuel bowl upside down. If there is a sight plug on the side of the bowl, then you adjust the float so that fuel is the level of the hole.<br /><br />With holley's, and many other carb manufacturers, there numbering system sucks. Over the past 10, 20, 50 years their model numbers have been all over the place as they've adapted one basic model to various applications and OEM's, for example my model 4160 holley 4b carb has a motorcraft part number on it (from Holley) which does not show up in holley's numbering system. This is a 1993 carb that came on a brand new ford engine I repowered with. Your 75028 number is probably a volvo penta part number that holley came up with special when they supplied volvo penta with carbs way back when. Holley tech people should be able to give you the current generic holley part number to use to be able to look up parts and instructions for your carb as it probably has not changed over the years.<br /><br />I read your other post, you had posted the wrong list number here on iboats. The ebay page lists it as 75028-1.<br />For carb information, try calling holley tech service at 1-866-GOHOLLEY (1-866-464-6553)<br /> http://www.holley.com/TechService/ <br />you can also email them via http://www.holley.com/TechService/TechRequest.asp <br /><br />if you are mechanically inclined and comfortable with minor carb work, take the fuel bowl off and post a pic of the inside of the bowl with how the float is setup in there.<br />Do you know what the needle and seat is?<br />Did your mechanic replace that when he worked on the carb? Do you know what parts exactly he replaced? Depending on the carb kit he used, whether it was correct or not, you may not have replaced all the parts you need to or replaced some parts with incorrect ones, such as the needle and seat and the power valve.
 

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Re: Setting float level on a 2bbl holley

Hi ron!<br /><br />I don't know which parts he replaced, but they were all from a holley repair kit i ordered from dougrussell.com! The kit no is 3854116 (It lists as a carb repair kit for a 1995 3.0 volvo) . I will dismantle the carb from the boat and take the pictures you asked for and post them here first thing tomorrow!<br /><br />The carb DOESN'T have a sight plug - i checked it today. How do you set the float to be parallel with the top edge of the fuel bowl if you don't see it? Do you have to do it with the fuel bowl off?<br /><br />Alex
 

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yes with the fuel bowl off. It's easy. I will try to dig up a pic showing how as soon as I can.<br />It is also described on the holley website under tech articles although not that well. See "Float Adjustment"<br /> http://www.holley.com/TechService/Library.asp
 

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Here are the images i promised:<br /><br />
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<br /><br />These images are 640*480 in size, bigger ones can be found at http://www.oziris.net/browse/carb <br /><br />Hope they help! Damn carb! :mad:
 

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Noone has any comments on the picutres? Is the float ok? How do i set it? I checked the tech part of holley page, yet they don't say how to set it without a peephole!<br /><br />Thanx
 

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in 8.jpg your list number is on the airhorn of the carb. It is 80316-2. I do not know that the ebay carb with 75028 is, do not buy that one just yet!<br /><br />Holley catalog says the renew kit you should use is 703-41. When I get time, I will try and look up what size jets and power valve you should be using. I don't have access to that info at the present time.<br /><br />Try and verify your mechanic used a real Holley renew or rebuild kit, and the box had HOLLEY on it. The number you list from dougrussel I wasn't able to look up. If dougrussel supplied you with a non-Holley kit let me know.<br /><br />About the float, in pic7 and pic2, there's a brass screw going into a hex nut on the top outside of the fuel bowl. This is were you adjust the float assembly! In pic7 inside the bowl there are 2 screws holding the float assembly to the bowl. Remove those screws, behind the assembly I think you'll find the needle and seat. Verify they are clean and moving properly. Take just the float and fully submerge it in a can or something of gasoline for a minute. If any air bubbles come out of it, it is leaking! Shake the float and listen if any gas leaked into it, if you hear fluid in it then it's leaking. It must be replaced. With float assembly installed, you loosen the brass screw with a flatblade screwdriver. This will then allow you to turn the hex nut with a wrench. Turning the hex nut clockwise lowers the float assembly, counterclockwise raises it. Because you don't have a peephole, the renew kit should have the instructions how to set the float. It will have a paper measuring stick. You measure the distance between the float and the inside of the TOP of the fuel bowl while HOLDING THE BOWL UPSIDE DOWN. The renew kit instructions will have this measurement. IF you can't get it I will try looing it up for you when I can, give me a day or 2. With this measurement, you set the float somewhat close to that then reinstall the bowl to the carb. This will allow you to start the engine and idle it fairly well. Since your carb has an externally adjustable float, you can always adjust the float afterwards, with the engine running, to find the best idle quality. Turning the hex nut 1/6 of a turn, or one side of the hex, adjusts the float 1/32". You shouldn't need to turn it more than 1 full turn either way, once you've set the float by measuring it.<br /><br />In 3.jpg, the screw on the metering block, between the 2 blue stripes of gasket, is your idle adjustment screw. There is one on each side. Set these by screwing them all the way in, clockwise. Do not tighten them hard! Only lightly! Then back each one out 1.5 turns, that's 360 degrees plus another 180 degrees of rotation. This will allow the engine to start and idle well enough. With the engine warmed up, you can turn these to get the best idle quality, at 600-800 rpms. You should need to turn them no more than 1/2 turn either way, and you can also adjust your float level in combination to find the best idle.
 

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<br /><br />also, before removing float hold bowl upside down and blow into the fuel inlet on the outside of the bowl. You should not be able to. If you can then the float is not raising enough or the needle and seat is not sealing and is a problem.
 

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looks like you have a model 2300 3x2<br />Your list number however comes up just as a model 2300.<br /><br />see links for schematics.<br /><br />Try 1/2", 12.7mm, float setting like I explained. <br />Your list number of 80316 doesn't come up in the catalog showing a float setting, and the only float setting for your style float bowl, which is under 2300 3x2 bbl is 1/2".<br /><br />see 2300 3x2 at <br /> http://www.holley.com/TechService/Library.asp <br /><br />also<br /> http://www.holley.com/data/Products/Technical/199R10015-1.pdf
 

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Hi ron!<br /><br />The repair kit was definetly a Holley - i ordered it and got the package which i gave to the mechanic. There were instructions inside, which i threw away - i trusted my mechanic that he would be able to do it. Ok, i'll try all the things you said. What do we do next? Will it solve the black smoke problem? The power valve is also new as you can see from the pictures. <br /><br />Alex
 

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you threw the instructions away
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<br /><br /><br />with any luck it will solve the problem. It sounds like the float level was just set too high. You could've just lowered it via the adjustment screw and watched the problem go away. In any case, overhauling the whole carb is the best way to go.<br />here's what you do, some which is in addition to above. Do as much as you can:<br /><br />find the box of the renew kit, post what the number of the kit was.<br /><br />get the original power valve if you can, there are numbers stamped on the metal part of it. In pic8, it shows the spring side of the power valve. The markings are on the other side. Read them in a clockwise order, and post them. There will be a letter, ranging between "A" and "M", among 2 or 3 numbers. We need to know the two numbers after the letter in clockwise order, that will tell us at what vacuum level the power valve opens at.<br /><br />post all the numbers and letter of the new power valve.<br /><br />In the metering block, you will hopefully be able to read the numbers staped on the two jets, post them. If you can't read them and have a set of calipers try measuring the hole size of the jets, but you would have to measure the end that's in the metering block so unscrew the jets. Make sure the jets have the same size holes or have the same stamped numbers.<br /><br />Don't forget to test the float like I explained, post your findings.<br /><br />Also explain about the engine. What's the engine's history? It was sunk or something, or is this a new engine? Has it ever run well?<br />What year is engine?<br />What are the spark plugs in it?<br />What type of ignition or distributor is in it?<br />Does it have electronic ignition or does it have breaker points?<br />Has anyone ever adjusted the valves, as in adjusting or tightened the valve rocker arms?<br /><br />In your pic of the metering block with the brown crud on the bottom, 8.jpg, ask your mechanic if he cleaned that out with carb cleaner. Make sure all the little passages on the metering block were sprayed full force with carb cleaner. Compressed air to dry and clean it out is also a good idea. Same would go for the main body where the metering block mates up, all the passages there that enter into the throat should be sprayed and cleaned out. If one full can of cleaner wasn't used before to clean the carb, then reclean it. Don't be afraid to go through two cans. It must be clean.<br /><br />One last thing, I found reference in an old Haynes manual regarding setting float level of the type you have. It is just by a picture. They use a pencil to gauge distance, which is about 1/4" not 1/2" like I said. Set your float level initially to 1/2" like I described and install the bowl. If the engine doesn't start or will not stay running at 1000-1500 rpm idle then the float is probably too low so remove the bowl and reset it with the pencil to 1/4" and retry.<br />Also know, when you adjust the float by the hex nut if it starts getting hard to turn you are going too far and bending the float tangs and needle and seat arms. If you need to adjust further, you will need to pull the float assembly out of the bowl and bend the float tangs by hand to get it in the proper adjustment range. where the hell is slovenia anyway?
 

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Ok, here something i can answer right away:<br /><br />The enigne was bought last year from Michiganmotorz.com - a brand new one, not rebuilt. So the year of manufacture is 2004. Spark plugs in it are NGK BPR6EFS. The distributor is a completely new DELCO EST (electronic ignition) - came with the new engine. We NEVER touched the valves (the engine was brand new) - although i think we should, cause i can hear 1 valve slightly knocking. The carb is from the old engine, year of manufacture is 1994 - the old engine sunk in the driveway, along with the carb. The overall performance of the engine / boat last year was very good (no problems), BUT I HATE THAT BLACK SMOKE. I had to clean the hull every 2-3 days.
 

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Oh, and Slovenia is a part of formal Yugoslavia - we are a small country east of Italy and south of Austria. :D Americans LOVE it :D
 
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