New Rebuilt Starter not working and grinding very loud.

[speed5]

Re: New Rebuilt Starter not working and grinding very loud.

ive changed the flywheel and had the same problem again going out now to look to see how i can make a bracket to support the starter or does any body know where or what the part # might be for a bracket\

 

[speed5]

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ok i fiqued out a way to support starter in front <br />i took a piece of 2" x 2" 90 degree alum and took a mesurement to the support block for the motor mount and added 8" to the size.then i cut 4" down the middle of the bend on both sidesand bent them to <br />fit the angle of the floor and to wrap around the starter. i then drilled 2 holes in the end that supports the stater and slid a large ss muffler bracket throgh the holes and tightend it to the starter. im new to using a computer so when i fiqure out how to download photos ill put a few in the next post Thank you all for the help This site is the best

 

[DHPMARINE]

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speed5,<br /><br />Please look at www.arcomarine.com .Click on catolog,then tech tip 2.<br /><br />DHP

 

[leviwynnyk]

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Hey Speed 5, you have to let us know if this support helps. I have heard a lot of people say that you can get supports but no one knows where, so if anyone can shed some light that would be great.<br /><br />Another thing speed5, I was wondering if they just replaced the ring gear or if you had to replace the whole fly wheel assembly (Ring gear at Napa is like $26 while the Marine Fly Wheel is $365 which is a big price diff). Hopefully we find a solution. I know I now have to wait about 2 weeks to get my boat fixed by the mechanic, which couldn't come at a worse time!

 

[speed5]

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i replaced the flywheel but with a used one by me there is a boat junk yard and got iy for $100 but i checked it out and still have this problem ill have mine hopely runing in a day or so ill let you know what happens

 

[leviwynnyk]

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Thanks Speed5. I am going to have it replaced with a new one along with a new starter and I am going to try and weld that piece of the block on with JB Weld just for my own piece of mind. Its going to take 2 weeks till it's done but I wouldn't mind having an extra support as well so I am looking forward to seeing how yours turns out. It sure would be easier if they just made a support that was easily attainable.

 

[leviwynnyk]

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I just priced out a Flywheel for my 1996 Merc 4.3LX and it is going to be $600! Anyone on here have a used one for sale? OUCH!

 

[Don S]

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You don't need a complete flywheel, only the ring gear.<br />Remove the old ring gear and take it to NAPA and get one to match it. The ring gear is the same as automotive. Any mechanic with a torch can change it for you if you don't know how.<br />All I do is knock the old one off with a chisel, clean the flywheel and heat the new one and drop it over the flywheel.

 

[leviwynnyk]

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My mechanic and the shops all said it was one complete part and that you can't replace the ring gear like on an automotive engine. I asked 3 shops today and they all said the same thing. Oh ya, that price was the cheapest, one place quoted me $820! I guess the hardest part is pulling the motor, if I could do that, then I could probably do the whole job, I just don't want to mess anythign up pulling it. I don't know if this helps or not but my serial number is 0F824791. I sure hope your right Don, that would make my day and there wouldn't be a 3 week wait for it!

 

[Don S]

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Trust me, that ring comes off of there. The Merc manuals or parts breakdowns do not show it, but they are replaceable. <br />Of course, if you can't find anyone that can do it that way, or won't even try and you can't do it, not much I can do about that.

 

[DHPMARINE]

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Sorry my link to Arcomarine.com doesn't work.The tech tip is something I knew about,but disreguarded until we hit an engine that has the problem.Boat came in today.Bent,loose starter bolts,stripped flywheel teeth.Had the same problem last year,we installed new (rebuilt) engine,flywheel and starter.<br /><br />Motor does not even have to totally hydrolock.These new smaller gear reduction starters are unbelievably powerful.More than I realized.<br /><br />Go to Arcomarine and read.It's an education.<br /><br />DHP<br /><br />PS ... us Mercruiser dealers can only order complete flywheels $$$$$ .Napa and GM dealers maybe able to supply just the ring gear $.

 

[Don S]

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Here is the link to Tech Tip 2<br /> http://www.arcomarine.com/Tech Tips 2.pdf <br /><br />DHP<br />Just out of curiosity, did you change the starter bolts on that engine when you put in the new starter and flywheel?<br />I'm beginning to think this is the "Weakest Link" in the system. All Merc starters come with new bolts, and I know that most probably use the old bolts because the turn easier inside the starter and in those difficult places that takes one hand to do 3 hands worth of work, an easy turning bolt makes it easier.<br />Look at the new bolts. They have a knurled area on them that fits snug in the holes and prevents excess movement. With old bolts or bolts that didn't have the knurl, you have a lot of slop..... Slop = excess movement and if the starter is tightened down at the wrong angle with old bolts..... Bingo. Bendix gear too close to ring gear.<br /><br />Just something to think about, haven't had one to look at yet to prove or disprove my theory.<br /><br />EDIT: Just checked, and Volvo lists the ring gear seperate for that year V6 and list price is $85

 

[rodbolt]

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yep, I never replace the flywheel, takes all of 10 min to replace the ring gear,once its on the bench. you just have to insure the tooth count and pitch are the same.<br /> its the same flywheel the manual shift auto uses.<br /> merc wont sell me an 8 dollar speedi sleeve for the balancers either but you think I am gonna waste 200+ of my customers money over a groove in the balancer?<br /> not all of us are out to strike gold.

 

[leviwynnyk]

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Ok, so then I CAN just replace the ring gear. Now the question is what ring gear will fit. If anyone here could tell me how to find out the specs of the ring gear, so I could order one from napa, then I would owe you big time! I really don't want to spend $600 on a part that could be as cheap as $50. <br /><br />So I also ordered a new starter so with a new starter, ring gear, and new bolts, I should be covering all the bases. Now for the Hydrolock, could that have happened once a long time ago before I owned the boat damadging the ring gear, but is no longer a problem? What can I do to prevent it from happening again?

 

[Reel Poor]

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Measure the flywheel then call Napa, GM dealer, and tell them you want a starter ring gear for a manual tranny flywheel for a 96 4.3L with the particular diameter flywheel you have.<br /><br />It takes acetylene torch heat to remove and install the new ring gear.

 

[rodbolt]

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I dont waste gas on removal. a quik whak with a sharp chisel takes care of the old one.<br /> gas done got spensive

 

[DHPMARINE]

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Here is the link to Tech Tip 2<br /> http://www.arcomarine.com/Tech Tips 2.pdf <br /><br />DHP<br />Just out of curiosity, did you change the starter bolts on that engine when you put in the new starter and flywheel?<br />I'm beginning to think this is the "Weakest Link" in the system. All Merc starters come with new bolts, and I know that most probably use the old bolts because the turn easier inside the starter and in those difficult places that takes one hand to do 3 hands worth of work, an easy turning bolt makes it easier.<br />Look at the new bolts. They have a knurled area on them that fits snug in the holes and prevents excess movement. With old bolts or bolts that didn't have the knurl, you have a lot of slop..... Slop = excess movement and if the starter is tightened down at the wrong angle with old bolts..... Bingo. Bendix gear too close to ring gear.<br /><br />Just something to think about, haven't had one to look at yet to prove or disprove my theory.<br /><br />EDIT: Just checked, and Volvo lists the ring gear seperate for that year V6 and list price is $85

Don,sorry for late reply.Starter and bolts were new.Now bolts are bent and ring gear stripped.Found H2O all 4 cylinders of port bank.That's why I've been quoting and recommending the Arco site.

DHP

 

[speed5]

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about hydro locking i fixed that problem on my boat by bending a large X() SS sheet into a lid that drains water mostly rain water to the sides and the front and still had this problem after i changed everything now back to the starter prob i made a bracket and it fits perfect but my friend shot down my idea because i was going to mount to floor does Thai whole motor move while its running or is it locked in place because of the solid motor mounts

 

[leviwynnyk]

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So I have decided to follow everyone's advice and I am going to try it myself. I have the factory Service manual and have read the sections on removal and install 5 times. I have removed the Stern Drive and am going to try to pull the motor tomorrow. Is there any advice people can give me for pulling or installing the motor? Also, while I have it out and am replacing the ring gear, are there any other parts that would be good to replace? This will be the biggest project i ahve tackled, but I am using a digi cam to take pics of everything as we go, and I have a great manual to refer too. I'll post how it went in a day or two. Don

 

[speed5]

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good luck its easer then you think just take you time and rember if you have an extra bolt you did the job right HA HA also i have fiquerd out a bracket for front of starter ill take pics when i finish