Metal flake paints

Bco128

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does anyone know where i would be able to find a good metal flake paint and how to apply it?planning to repain boat sometime during my extensive refurb but because it is a bass boat and i like metal flake, i would prefer to use that rather than go with plain no flash solid color paints.
 

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Sorry, dont have time to go into it tinight, Ill post tomorrow!
 

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OK, Ive got a little time to answer your question, (I think)!!<br /><br />First off, there is no such thing as "Metal Flake paint"!!<br /><br />The way it is done at the manufacturer is, First there is a mold release sprayed into the mold, then there is a coat or two of clear gel coat sprayed in, then what ever color of flake is mixed with more clear gel coat and it is sprayed in, then a like color gelcoat is sprayed as a backing, then the fiberglass is applied either by hand or sprayed or both!<br /><br />Now to do this on your boat you have to do it in reverse!<br /><br />The flake will come in a bag or some container in a dry form like the sparkles you buy for your kids for crafts! You will have to talk to the people at the automotive paint store to know how much you will need and how much to mix with what ever clear coat you decide to use!<br /><br />You will have to sand the surface you are applying the finish to, then apply a base color that is similar to the flake color, (a flat basecoat is fine) then I would use an entry level urethane clear like NASON for the flake application, you will need a spray gun that will pass the flake that has a large needle and cap, after you get the flake on you will have to coat it with at least two more coats of clear, after that dries you will have to wet sand the entire thing down again being carefull not to break through to the flake as it will sand the color off the flake and cause a silver spot! Then I would spray two coats of Imron Urethane clear over that as this is the MOST durable clear Urethane there is, you are done unless you want to polish it!<br /><br />As you can see, it is VERY labor intensive and I would think maybe close to $500.00 in materials!<br /><br />Also you need some spraying background to do a profesional job or you can waist a lot of expensive materials!<br /><br />Still want to tackle it???
 

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Now that Ive posted what I have, If your boat is silver, Or it looks good wet! I have seen somewhat satisfactory results by just clearing over the old flake, but it almost always looks blochy! Imron has some metalic colors that have pretty large metalic and I would think these would look better to you all the time concidering the time involved in Matalflake!
 

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Hey LubeDude,<br />You Really like that Imron don't you.......<br />I've never shot it, I've Always heard Really Bad Things about it.....<br />I Realize that spraying Any paint, Even with a Good Mask, Really Isn't Good for you....<br />I've had Great Luck with the 2 part urethanes.....<br /><br />But, as We Know....<br />It's ALL in the Preperation....... :D
 

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Honestly I hate to spray it! Everytime I do I get sick! I do not have a fresh air resperator! Actually I have only done it a few times and try and avoid it! I post for it as it is the best and There is no use doing it twice! I painted my wifes car two years ago with Nason Base and Clearcoat, and it is holding up fine! Im not sure what I would use on my own boat! Probably Imrom like I said for the last couple coats! Even if it ment getting sick! Honestly I think that the regular urethanes would hold up pretty good though!<br /><br />I doubt that it would effect most like it does me as I got solvent poisoning about 10 years ago and have a hard time with things like that now! It does seemed to have passed pretty much now though and I do not have much trouble with it now! I do know that I cant go back into the feild as I once was though!
 

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Lube dude just for future reference i know how a boat is built at factory.i do have spray background(have worked in auto body)the only flake material i have any experience is a fine powder such as is used for a pearl coat.which looks good on cars but not certain how it would look on a boat.actually now that i think about it it might look pretty darn good with a good clear coat gel coat.i have equipment that will handle this size but not the larger flake any idea on the approximat size nozel would be needed?
 

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Bco128,<br />This guy sells metal flakes All the Time... I haven't surfed his store in a few days, but he had it listed the last time thru...<br /> http://stores.ebay.com/id=55377954 <br /><br />LubeDude,<br />Me + the Buds have been using NAPA, MSU for a few years now.... we've got dock boats with 3 years,+ No blistering, or loss of paint.....<br />My boat is a "Tin" boat, Trailered.... It's got 625hrs. in 3 years also... with No Problems...<br />Well, Maybe a little Dock Rash.... :D
 

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your point being?<br />i asked a simple question and do dot appreciate being bade to look like an idiot.i respect lube dudes input as weel as his experience.weather or not he sales it makes no difference to me.no need to make this thread go bad so lets leav it at that shall we?
 

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Hey, Whats up with the attitude?? Everyone is just out here trying to help! Bondo was just interjecting another product into the picture, I amire his profesional opinion also! knowone is trying to make anyone out to be a fool! I have to admit that you didnt sound like you had a clue as to anything to do with metalflake or you wouldnt have asked about metalflake paint which there is no such thing!<br /><br />Chill!!! :confused:
 

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your point being?<br />i asked a simple question and do dot appreciate being bade to look like an idiot.i respect lube dudes input as weel as his experience.weather or not he sales it makes no difference to me.no need to make this thread go bad so lets leav it at that shall we?
Now I'm Really Confused...........<br /><br />Just What Exactly Did I Say,<br />That You Find so Offensive ??????<br /><br />I've seen alot of LubeDude's posts...<br />He seems to Really Know Painting....<br />I Didn't Mean to Hi-jack Your thread...<br />Just chit-chatting with LubeDude.......<br />If you mean,<br /> "But, as We Know....<br />It's ALL in the Preperation......." <br />I'm Sorry, That's Directed to Lubedude...<br />We've answered Many Questions on "How Do I Make This Look Good".......<br />And, The Answer Is,<br /><br /> "It's ALL in the Preperation......." :D <br /><br />Or is it the link to a Store that Sells Metal Flakes ??????? <br />That Is What You're Looking For, Isn't It ???? :confused: <br /><br />Good Luck.....Anyway... :confused:
 

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I have painted machines professionally for 6 years and painted a dozen or so cars.. Huge diffrence there ! When I trained a new guy to take over the paint booth where I work i tried to teach him that I have never seen paint fall off because of too much preparation. He did not heed my teaching and had to repaint over a dozen machines after sanding them down to bare metal. It CANT be tooo clean !! <br /><br />I too am looking at what can be done with faded Metal flake. I am going to give the Imron a try at least on a sample area. I had a friend that built model boats. He would spray the boat with something clear ( not sure what he used ) and then put the metal flake in his hand and blew it onto the surface . then clear coated it . He had great looking boats but I bet that would be a chore on a 18 ft boat !
 

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Maximerc:<br /><br />I think you would pass out doing it that way before you got 10 feet! Besides, it would be hard to do with a mask on!! :D :D :D
 

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hey guys thanks for the info will check out that website bondo.ok lube dude if it isnt called a metal flake paint since it dosent exist then what is it called so i dont look as though i know nothing the next time i ask a question.BTW i have started a thread i would like Lube and Bondo to visit.what do you think of the idea of using a pearl coat?not sure how it would hold up but think it would be ok with a good clear.and as far as the sanding do i need to go all the way down to the glass or woul it bond well by sanding off all the old gel coat and making sure surface flake is smoth then good cleaning?
 

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First off the idea that there isnt a "metalflake" paint:<br /><br />What I mean is that you cannot buy a paint already mixed with the flake in it! You have to buy the flake in whatever color you want,(dry) and mix it into clear before spraying!!<br /><br />As to the pearl, I think it would look great, but I think it would look best over a metalic base!<br /><br />I learned pearls from one of the best pearl painters in southern California, here is the secret to pearls!<br /><br />After the base is laid down, put a coat of clear on the base before you put the pearl on, this leaves a very minor gap between the base and the pearl allowing for more reflection! Makes night and day difference! Also the biggest mistake in spraying pearls is putting too much on and it is a very hard thing to know when to stop, You really cant see the final outcome in the paint booth, if you can see it in the booth, then it probably will be too much! Take the time to paint some test panels!<br /><br />Oh, you do not have to sand the gell coat "off"! Just sand like you would a car, but you do not have to sand finer than 360-400 grit! Except for the last coats which should be 600 or better!
 

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… you cannot buy a paint already mixed with the flake in it!
Yes you can…bicycle paint…comes in a 12-oz spray can. As for boats, I would think it is only legal to apply it to one of those little paddle boats. :D
 

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Im sure that it is still a much smaller flake than the flake they use on boats! Also not the quality needed!
 

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good info.actually i didnt know about the plain clear coat b4 adding pearl.does explain a few thing i remember seing at the shop though.i wonder do car manufacturers use that method ivae notice that all repainted cars with a pearl never seem to have the same luster or color change as the oeigional.have heard many reasons why.wonder if those are just bs and the maker uses that lirrle trick.
 

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just noticed something Lube Dude. you always end a sentance wit an exclimation point.never seen a period or question mark.do you always type so loud?
 

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You could always take a Handful of Glitter,+ Blow it over the Wet Clear with a Blowgun......<br />Another Idea....<br />I've got a Undercoating gun.. I bet It would Blow the Flakes.... It's a Siphon-Feed gun.... Just stick the hose in the bag,+ Blow.......<br />It would be Alot easier than using your Lungs....
 
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