Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Mark42

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The blue gel coat on my '62 Niagara has seen better days and because it is rather thick (at least 1/16") I planned to buff it out right from the start. I did not have much success on various attempts using hand power or a buffing wheel in a drill. <br /><br />What finally worked was this: <br /><br />1) Use the coarsest Scotch-Brite pad with Comet Cleanser (not the Soft Scrub version, the good old abrasive Comet) and really scrub the finish. Scrub until the cleaning solution starts to turn the color of the gel coat. That means the oxidized surface is coming off.<br /><br />2) Wash the surface clean. What is left is a really dull and even finish minus all the motley white patches, discoloration and surface stains.<br /><br />3) Using a 7" polisher (not a drill, use a real polishing machine) with a wool bonnet set at around 600-800 rpm start polishing the surface using RUBBING compound. Just slap some compound on the surface with your fingers, smear it around and apply the polisher. Things will start to look shiney real fast. Whoo-Hoo!! <br /><br />4) Repeat polishing using #7 POLISHING compound at higher speeds, maybe 1000 rpm. Now it really shines... Better than the finish on my cars. <br /><br />5) You can stop here and wax, or go one more step of polishing using a product like Liquid Ebony before waxing.<br /><br />I only did a few feet of the gunnel last night because we had to run out to attend the last Boat Smart class and take the test (I got a 95, wife got a 98!). Cinthia could not believe the finish that the polisher produced. I am rather impressed with the results and how easy it was.<br /><br />There are still some age cracks and deep scratches that I am just going to leave as is. The fact is that when you stand 4 feet away, you can't see any of them, and the reflection makes it look 300% better.<br /><br />Will post some before/after pics hopefully this weekend after I finish the whole boat.<br /><br />A side note: The real trick to making this work is the scrubbing to expose good gel coat, then polishing with a real polishing tool. I didn't own one, and tried to rent one with no luck. I saw that they run $180 to $300 at the stores, well beyond my budget. I decided to buy the cheapest one I could find on the internet. It is a Makita knock-off, made in China, and cost $28 plus $12 shipping. Name brand is American Tool Exchange. <br /><br />I would have prefered to buy a nice one, but decided if the cheap-o lives to finish the boat, I got my moneys worth. I bought mine at http://www.avidpure.com as a promo special. Here is the exact same polisher for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20782&item=4314369051&rd=1 <br /><br />Other cheap-o models are available at harborfreight.com<br /><br />Mark.
 

jtexas

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Some good info here - thanks for the tips. can't wait to see the pics.<br /><br />jtw
 

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Mark -<br />Did you have any spider cracks in the gel coat? If so, how did they come out?
 

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Carolina_t_bird,<br /><br />Yep, there are a few. A few stress cracks around screw holes, and one big spider crack on the deck where (I'm guessing) someone rather heavy sat where they shouldn't. Haven't got to the deck yet, but for now I am just going to polish out (around here they call it "wheel out") the whole top side and then decide what to repair. It seems so easy to polish, I don't mind having to go back and touch up after some repairs.<br />Wish me luck!<br />Mark.
 

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Can't wait to see your pics Mark and congrats on getting a 95 on your test.Looks like your wife might be driving the boat more than you though with thar 98.LoL.<br />That polisher looks like a mini grinder Mark.Looking to do the same with my boat and wondering if my mini grinder would do the job with the right pads.Might have to give it a try.
 

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Last night I worked on the splash well. Was in a hurry and did not scrub with the scotch brite pad as long as I did on the gunnel. It took a lot longer to get a nice glossy finish, and it does not look quite as nice as the gunnel. I think that it is important to remove as much of the oxydized gel coat with the scotch brite pads and Comet cleaner to get down to a clean, hard, fresh layer of gelcoat before buffing. I also used a lot more rubbing and polishing compound. <br /><br />Took some before pics last night. <br /><br />Will keep you posted.<br /><br />Mark
 

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Nice work Mark. Thanks for the info on the polisher. The prices are hard to believe. I noticed yours is also Makita Teal in color. Have you ever tried to polish an auto finish with one? I hear it is easy to 'burn' the paint. How was it with gel coat?
 

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Thanks Boomyal!<br /><br />Generally I do cars by hand or have a bodyshop wheel it out. I didn't have any problems burning the gel coat, even on ridges or corners. But the gelcoat is thick. Auto paint is much thiner, and as a kid, I did go right through a laquer paint job I did on a 69 Impalla. <br /><br />I was lucky enough to have a co-worker who grew up in a body shop give me some tips. One that made things easier and better was to use a damp paint brush to smear the compound on the boat rather than just your fingers. Whith the brush I was able to spread a nice even thin coat of compound that was not just thrown off when the wheel hit it. Smearing a glob with my fingers left a some really thick lumpy spots that ended up just being thrown all around and was a waste of compound. Also, it is easy to put on a thin coat of compound quickly so its easy to do an area twice over quickly. <br /><br />Managed to finish the top of the boat today. Polishing showed up a few deep scratches that were hidden by the flat finish. Maybe later this summer I will try to sand them out and re-buff just those areas. <br /><br />Regarding the spider cracks, they really show up after waxing because the wax fills the crack and shows up as a nice bright white spider crack on a blue deck. To remedy this, I plan to pick up some colored wax, they sell it at the hot rod shops like Van Iderstein and the like. If it hides scratches in auto bodies, it should work fine on the boat.<br /><br />All in all, it came out really nice. Not quite as good as I had hoped, but it really looks 10 times better than it did.
 

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the wax fills the crack and shows up as a nice bright white spider crack
That's great. Keeping it waxed, and preferably out of the direct sun will keep you from needing to do all that again.<br /><br />Don't worry about the stress cracks. Boats are sort of like women, with both, a few stress cracks on their hulls as they age is normal.
 

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I did my boat with a 600 grit then a 1500grit wet sanding. You can remove fairly deep scratches pretty quickly that way. I would just do it while you are at it.
 

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Mark42,Wow,quite a difference.Can I hire you to do mine?LOL.Looks real nice and should be a lot easier to keep up once your done.
 

serch305

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

That is a lot of diference i gone a have mine done you just give me a great idea to start with<br />Thanks
 

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Mark. Do you use the same polishing compound for steps 3 & 4?<br />I am going to try your technique as soon as I get the chance. Found a cheap polisher at harbor freight (24.99).<br />My paint looks just like your before picture. <br />Wish me luck :p <br /><br /><br />Oh. I also have some 3M restorer & wax. I assume that would be the last step? I take it once you get the best shine you can get you'd want to wax it? Should I use the restorer/wax or just a normal wax?
 

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Hi Skunked!<br /><br />I used Rubbing compound for step 3, and polishing for step 4. I used a brand called #7, it is really popular around here in NJ, and can be found everywhere from NAPA to Walmart. The Rubbing Compound is more gritty than Polishing Compound. I just looked in the garage and I bought two cans each, $2.79 for a 10oz can. It's fairly cheap. I wouldn't spend a lot of money for fancy brands. The cheap stuff will work just fine for what you are doing. <br /><br />For my 14.5' boat I used almost two 10oz cans of Rubbing, and more than 1 can of Polishing.<br /><br />The more time you spend removing the top surface by scrubing by hand will pay off with less time polishing.<br /><br />The wet paintbrush for spreading the compound on the boat really was big improvement over smearing it on with my fingers.<br /><br />I think I now have waxed the gelcoat about 6 or 7 times since I did it. Use plain old Turtle Wax. But it does look nice.<br /><br />Good Luck! And keep us posted on the progress. <br /><br />Mark.
 

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Thanks Mark. <br />I just got back with my Scotch pads & Comet.<br />I am going to scrub down the entire boat today, probably won't buy the buffer & rubbing & polishing compounds till Saturday.<br />I have a guy going to borrow me a heat gun so I can remove the old stickers & such. <br />I peeled back some of the old stickers & if I can get some of that original shine/color back I'll be happy.<br />Hate to do this so late in the year, but then I won't have to do it in spring :) <br />I'm glad I bought a "classic" boat (71 Sea Sprite 14ft), they have more class :) <br /><br /><br />I'll just edit this in. I just finished the top 1/2 of the boat & on the inside edges. The comet defintely did a good job of cleaning off old dirt etc. While the comet foam never turned greenish, when I dumped the water bucket it definitely had a green tint to it. So I'm done until Sunday(or Monday) for now. <br />I think she's going to shine up really good. After the boat dried it was a bit "hazy" but when I sprayed some water on it & rubbed it down it sure looked good.
 

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Re: Polishing the gel coat is working great!

Sounds good! I got a really satin flat finish after using Comet. Not sure what polising pad came with your polisher, but the ones that I got did not hold up long. I found a really great polishing pad is made by Makita. It is a plastic backed bowl shaped disk that attaches to the polisher with velcro. It was about $15 but worth it. The cloth backed draw string pad and the elastic back pad get the edges chewed up too easy and fall apart.<br /><br />If you haven't used a polisher before, don't run it too fast, and don't force it. Go easy and let the machine do the work. My cheap-o model gets hot, makes lots of gear noise, but worked well. <br /><br />Oh yeah, expect to get compound mist all over everything within 10 feet.
 

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damn, I hope mine comes up ok, I gotta take off the crap paint that someone put on over the gel-coat first though.
 
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