Yet another resto project!

petrolhead

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I started work on another boat project just before Xmas, a while back my father-in-law bought an old 70s Norman 23 that I gave him a heads-up on. The guy selling it had just sold his house and was about to lose the mooring that went with it, and the boat had engine problems which was putting off everyone who looked at it, he was getting desperate as moving day approached and we had him over a barrel! I feel ever so slightly guilty as we really screwed him on the price, it cost us more to have it towed to the boatyard than we paid for the boat.<br />Anyway, after a bit of fiddling about we've given up on the motor, an old inboard Ford crossflow, and had the option of either getting another and swapping the water cooling parts over or doing a complete rethink. We went for the second option and have removed the motor and outdrive and converted to 4 stroke outboard, giving us lots more room inside and the convenience of being able to remove the motor easily if we need to.<br />So the transom has now been cut down and a self draining well fitted, all done in plywood and glass encapsulated, and last week I tore out the old cockpit floor and started to build a new one. I've done it all in exterior ply which will eventually have 1/2" thick Oak planking glued to it, should look really nice.<br />Before that though we're going to replace all the flooring in the cabin too, and all the interior side panels are coming out to be replaced with 3mm white Foamex (PVC) which is cheap, looks nice, quite hardwearing, and easy to wipe clean.<br />I'm going to post some photos of work in progress soon and put a link here.<br />Meanwhile I still have another resto project which I posted photos of a few months back, an ex-hire 1950s Thames Runabout which I'm doing up to sell in the spring. It's on hold at the moment as it's a bit cold to work outdoors now, I did the interior before I stopped work and it's now sitting under tarps until April when I'll finish it off and put it on eBay.<br />Also in progress is a 13' clinker ply skiff which is for keeping, to replace my ugly little GRP dinghy which rows about as well as a barrel, and doesn't look much better! I've almost completed a full kit of parts and it's nearly time to get the building jig set up in the garage and start assembling it, I'd really like this one finished by springtime too so I can sell the dinghy and get it out of the way.<br />Photos of all this stuff to appear in the near future too.
 

mellowyellow

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Re: Yet another resto project!

what, no pics mate?<br />interested in how you built the splashwell.<br />ever think of using a jack plate instead of<br />cutting transom?
 

petrolhead

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Re: Yet another resto project!

I'll post the pics soon, what do you mean by a jackplate? I've seen a couple of things labelled jackplates, both completely different!
 

petrolhead

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OK, here are some photos of the work on the Norman 23 so far, showing the cut-down transom and splash well, and the cockpit interior with the old floor removed. The tank on the starboard side is for fresh water, and you can see the floor level from the battening around the sides and the height of the tank, there's a step down bit in the middle for the cabin door of course.<br />Since taking these photos I've done the new flooring, I may get some photos of that tomorrow when I start working on it again.<br />
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Re: Yet another resto project!

nice work sir, but I wouldn't punch the throttle<br />in reverse! why not attatch a jack plate to mount<br />the OB?
 

petrolhead

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I wouldn't punch the throttle<br />in reverse!
It's OK, I know you're thinking that looks a little low on the inside, but there'll be a piece that bolts across to close that big gap!<br />It's done like that to give easy access to the motor when needed, and while I'm working on it it gives easy access in and out of the boat too.
 
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petrolhead,<br /><br />Interesting project. Got any whole boat pic's so we can get an idea of what that boat is?<br /><br />By the way, your steering wheel is on the worng side. :p :D
 

petrolhead

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By the way, your steering wheel is on the worng side
Ha ha! At river speeds torque reaction (I assume that's what you're referring to?) is not really an issue, it's more important to have a clear view of boats approaching you from the opposite direction, and as we "drive" on the right side of the river that means the wheel goes on the left.<br />Having said that the wheel on my own boat is on the right, but it's a small runabout with good visibility so it doesn't make much difference.<br /><br />I don't have any photos of the whole boat yet, but here's one from the Norman owners website.<br />
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wow... talk about a great design!<br />she's all cabin.<br />beauty!<br />and to think I was happy with MY 22' starcraft<br />with a tiny raised cabin...
 

petrolhead

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There's a forward cabin with two permanent berths, then the seating/dining area in the main cabin can convert into two more.<br />It's very typical of the older glass boats on the river here, the boatyard is full of very similar looking boats from the 70s and 80s.<br />Not really my cup of tea, I'm a diehard wooden boat man myself, but my father-in-law needed something that wouldn't require lots of maintenance and this fit the bill.<br />He intends to take it on the river for several weeks at a time, living and working on the boat, eating at riverside pubs. All he needs is his mobile phone and a laptop and he can work as effectively from the boat as he can from home.
 

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Re: Yet another resto project!

KOOL boat...check the size of that cabin! It's kinda sorta like the early 22'alum Lonestar cabin model. How much does it weigh and what hp engine? What is the cost in England for an old classic like that?
 

petrolhead

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How much does it weigh and what hp engine? What is the cost in England for an old classic like that?
I believe the registered weight is just over 3 tons, it should be rather lighter with the outboard though. We're looking for a 20-25hp 4-stroke which will be more than adequate for non-tidal river use. <br />I'm not sure you really want to know what we paid for it, well OK it was £200 (approx US$385), but as I said it cost a bit more than that to have it towed to the boatyard where we're working on it.<br />I've seen them for sale in similar condition between £1000-£1500.
 

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A couple more photos showing the new cockpit floor going in, it'll all be covered with oak planking eventually. Note that the plywood box structure under the floor only touches the bottom in a few places, and where it does the ply has been saturated with resin so it doesn't soak up any bilge water. In the centre above the keel none of the wood touches the bottom at all, there's several inches clearance underneath the cross pieces.<br />
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