Why trompe l'oeil is a better motto than perfection for restorers

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Trompe l'oeil is a French phrase meaning "fool [or trick] the eye". It covers a range of arts and has long-established artistic and practical applications.<br /><br />You've probably seen examples of it in all sorts of forms, possibly the most basic being canvas backdrops in live theatre which blend in with a few props on stage to lead the eye to believe that you're viewing a few hundred acres behind the actors on a 20 foot deep stage. Or the gate painted on a garden wall which shows another painted vista behind it to fool the eye and mind into believing that you can see further than you can.<br /><br />The human eye in ordinary operation by ordinary people works in generalities that allow it to be fooled by trompe l'oeil art forms.<br /><br />The human eye on ordinary people works the same way when viewing anything else. If it's mostly shiny and the same colour the eye and mind think it's all the same.<br /><br />It's only concours judges and nitpickers, and those of us who are super-critical of our own work which covers most restorers of anything, who get up close and find the minute flaws that have no impact on anyone but us and the nitpickers.<br /><br />Most people couldn't pick the difference between a 95% and 100% restoration, because their mind sees and believes the overall effect just like they do when they allow their minds to think the stage actors in "Oklahoma!" are riding across the US prairie on a 30' x 20' wooden stage ten thousand miles away from the US. <br /><br />The actors might know it was a bad performance but if the audience is happy, who cares?<br /><br />I'm not advocating sloppy work, but if there's a few minor imperfections it doesn't mean it's not still a great job.
 

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Re: Why trompe l'oeil is a better motto than perfection for restorers

I agree with that 100%. Everyone finds their own trade-off comfort zone for appearance vs. effort and cost. Some are more nit-picky than others. <br /><br />Be thankful for the nit-pickers. Those people preserve the past for future generations to see. They afford meticulous attention to detail that is properly displayed with accompanying documentation that can be viewed and studied in an air conditioned environment.<br /><br />You want to have some fun in a cool old boat, come on; I'll fire up the 'Rude and take you for a ride around the bay.
 

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Re: Why trompe l'oeil is a better motto than perfection for restorers

Originally posted by Mark42:<br /> <br />Be thankful for the nit-pickers. Those people preserve the past for future generations to see. They afford meticulous attention to detail that is properly displayed with accompanying documentation that can be viewed and studied in an air conditioned environment.<br /><br />
Agreed.<br /><br />People like the Schlumpf brothers preserved some great cars. <br /><br />These excessivly rich people will always be around.<br /><br />They will always spend ridiculous amounts of money restoring and preserving the best examples of great marques. <br /><br />They are also people who rarely if ever use the things they own and store in their terribly expensive humidity-controlled caverns with their trinkets tucked up in giant plastic bags on jack stands. <br /><br />Me, I'm a use it or lose it guy.
 

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Re: Why trompe l'oeil is a better motto than perfection for restorers

In the world of Corvettes there is an award given to restored old Corvettes called Bloomington Gold. It is awarded to cars that have been restored to show room condition. Cars that are over restored do not win. Over retored means parts that were not painted at the factory can not be painted. If an assembly line inspector put a chalk mark in a particular location than it has to be duplicated. The paint finish must match the original. No super high gloss finish. All replacement parts must be original or exact reproductions including the type of finish on the part. It is nit picking in the reverse scence to keep the original flaws.
 

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Originally posted by Buttanic:<br /> In the world of Corvettes there is an award given to restored old Corvettes called Bloomington Gold. It is awarded to cars that have been restored to show room condition. Cars that are over restored do not win. Over retored means parts that were not painted at the factory can not be painted. If an assembly line inspector put a chalk mark in a particular location than it has to be duplicated. The paint finish must match the original. No super high gloss finish. All replacement parts must be original or exact reproductions including the type of finish on the part. It is nit picking in the reverse scence to keep the original flaws.
I've seen this in a different form where people had a Triumph car which came from the factory but by the time they got it second or third hand it still didn't have the "right" panel gaps etc, although in one bizarre case it occurred with a car straight from the factory.<br /><br />A few people would virtually pull cars apart to get 1/16" panel separation where they thought it should be. Based on some supposed "standard" model.<br /><br />The fact that the factory was woefully inefficient and on its best day probably couldn't have produced two remotely identical cars didn't seem to matter.
 

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Re: Why trompe l'oeil is a better motto than perfection for restorers

I'll have to remember " Trompe l'oeil " when I'm describing " Bilgeliners "... :D ;)
 

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Most people couldn't pick the difference between a 95% and 100% restoration,
So what am I supposed to do? If I do 95% it won't float! If I do 100% I will be doing the same thing in 10 years!!!<br /><br />Naw give me the 115% I am doing so I don't have to do it again!!!
 

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Bondo say something nice as my bilgliner will be mounting twin 50's. :D I had better not see you on my lake :) <br />
Trompe l'oeil is a French phrase meaning "fool [or trick] the eye". It covers a range of arts and has long-established artistic and practical applications.<br />
No, My motto is build it like you wanted it in the first place!<br /><br />Besides I eat American fries. :D
 

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For investment cars I guess the overrestored car or boat is okay, but to drive (I am a driver, no trailer queens for me) looking good and being in excellent operating condition is perfect.
 

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I've Never even tried Restoring.........<br /><br />Everything I've ever Owned, since about age 5 has been,<br />Re-designed...<br />Re-engineered...<br />Re-modeled...<br />Maybe Re-built........<br /><br />But,... Never Re-stored.........<br /><br />
Bondo say something nice as my bilgliner will be mounting twin 50's. I had better not see you on my lake
Ayuh,.......... It'll take More than Twin 50hps to catch My tin barge.........<br />Or,.. At the price they're getting for .50BMG shells,........You'd Better make the 1st shot Count............... :D <br /><br />I haven't been to/thru New Mexico since the mid 80s.........<br />I have to admit,.. 1 of the Most Beautiful night-time scenes is when you break over the Top of the Hill over Albuquerque........ Absolutely Breath Taking........East, or West bound, on I-40........<br /><br />BTW, Your Bilgeliner is Absolutely Trompe l'oeil............................... :D
 

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Bondo you can ride in mine anytime. ;D<br /> <br />The light are wonderful and cool as your really not expecting it weather eastbond or west bound I-40.<br /><br />
BTW, Your Bilgeliner is Absolutely Trompe l'oeil...............................
No mine is better than new.<br />I lost 1 season of boating and spent about 3200 bucks including boat and tools.<br />My kids have a new apreciation of the american language too!<br />I could probably get 3000 for the boat here as there are few dealers and used boats are hard to come by. If they are in great shape they cost too much and the others are so used they should really be taken to the dump. :D <br /><br />I also have an understanding of how and where and what things do on my boat that buying new is not going to give me.<br /><br />I will not lay awake at night wondering if it rains will the floor rot cause the guy was talking to his girlfriend and not putting enough glass or class into the boat. :)
 

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Ayuh,.......... I Know Exactly what you mean........<br /><br />My Starcraft will Always be worth what I paid for it..............<br />But,..<br />It'll Never be worth what I've poured into it...........<br />I've Been,+ Still Am Rebuilding it since I found it in 98........ Cheap Therapy....... ;)
 
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