Others' experience

tipitina

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I'm debating a complete overhaul if you will to my 1976 boat. It is a '76 17.5 foot fiberglass bass boat. Would some of you more experienced folks please give me an estimate of time and money it will take me to redo the transom, floor, and I'm sure stringers. Also, anything else I should do while I'm down there. I'm thinking really hard about what this will truly take, and if I can handle I would like to start soon. Thanks... :)
 

JB

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Re: Others' experience

My experience with 30 year old boats that have cancer (rot) is that it would be a lot cheaper to replace it.<br /><br />Given that, there are those among us who derive great pleasure in restoring, and that is worth a lot.<br /><br />If you put your highest priority on fishing, replace it. If you put the highest priority on the joy of creation, go for it, but don't plan on doing any fishing for a year or so.<br /><br />Good luck, tipitina. I really like your screen name. :)
 

tipitina

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Re: Others' experience

Is that cheaper based on material costs, or cheaper based on material and labor put together?<br />Seems like it might be a somewhat enjoyable project, especially the final result, I am mainly curious as to the amount of time and $$$ that will be needed.
 

Boomyal

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Re: Others' experience

Post some pictures of your boat. It may help those who have gone before to make a better guess. Materials can add up to a few bucks but the biggest 'cost' is in your labor.
 

JasonJ

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I could have bought a pretty decent boat for the cost of having rebuilt my boat, but I enjoy the rebuilding process, and I have the peace of mind knowing exactly what I have going on under the floor. You always take a chance when buying a used boat, you could replace this one just to get another one that has hidden issues. Good luck...
 

BillP

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It's way cheaper than buying a new hull but depends on which materials you use.<br /><br />Basic polyester resin with exterior grade ply is the lowest cost rebuild and replicates what many factory boats used in 76. Costs go up if using epoxy resin with marine ply or composites. <br /><br />Here's a ballpark guestimate on materials for wood and glasswork...fill in your own prices and quantities after measuring.<br /><br />10-12 gals resin<br />6 sheets ply<br />20 yds glass<br />2 gals acetone<br />3 lbs cabosil<br />measuring cups, stir sticks<br />2 dozen 2" wide chip brushes<br />screws, nails, etc.<br />glass working tools...ridge roller and squeegees<br />50 pair disposale gloves<br />sandpaper<br />particle masks<br />1 gal styrene (only for poly)<br />1 thinking, spiting and cussing chair<br /><br />Construction time in "kick butte" mode with the right tools...<br />demolition 2-3 days (add more if removing deck from hull)<br />prep 2-3 days<br />pattern making 2-3 days<br />wood installation 2-3 days<br />glassing 4-5 days
 

Crappie_Fan

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Re: Others' experience

Keep in mind that the days BillP posted in the bottom of his post are Full Days probably at least 12 hour working days. So if you spread all those hours out into 2 or 3 hours each day when you get home from work it could add up to alot longer than you think. I have been working on a very small and simple 14' boat and I've have been at it for prolly 2 months now, just working in the evenings and weekends. So its not a fast process unless you have several good friends that dont mind getting filthy.<br /><br />Good Luck
 

BillP

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CrappieFan is right...that is about as fast as any hobbyist is going to do a 16-18' boat. If you can stick with the PIA hassle everyday for 2-3 wks it will get done. Otherwise, working at a casual pace I would give it 3-6 months. Spread out 150+- work hours hrs as a benchmark.
 

JasonJ

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Yeah, when I did mine, I started in an early January, and was not on the water until June. Temperature was my biggest enemy, a heated shop would have cut down on my time dramatically. I would work when it was warm enough, as many hours in a day as I could. Even when I got on the water, I still had more work to do finish-wise, it was just a functional boat that June.
 

Winger Ed.

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If you work a regular job full time, have kids at home, work around the house on other things, perhaps even have other interests,, it'll probably take you about a year. That is pretty close to what it takes me to do most of my bigger projects. <br /><br />You may not work on it every day for a year, but with the cold weather seasons, missing the summer and waiting until it comes back around, etc., that's sort of how it works out before I can enjoy the fruits of my labors on one unless it was just a quickie patch job so I could get it in the water a few times before winter rolled around again. <br /><br />To re-do one right:<br />By the time you do the hull, re-wire it, new guages, maybe put in a new steering system, a little trailer work, etc. $2-3,000 is a good estimate, but will probably be a bit more if you repaint it or get into working on the engine somewhat.<br /><br />The up side is that when done, you'll esentially have a new boat that would cost about $400 a month for (what seems like) the rest of your life if you just went down and bought it.
 

agrazela

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Re: Others' experience

tipitina,<br /><br />The very fact that you are asking for advice indicates that you are leaning heavily toward diving in...If you believe you can do it, go for it. Assuming faith in your abilities and that the hull is worth restoring, the only reason NOT to redo your boat is if the current hull doesn't meet your needs.<br /><br />As others have said, you might spend about the same to get another boat, but who knows what hidden problems it will have? Do it yourself and you'll know what you've got. Take pictures during restoration and you can show others what they're buying when/if it comes time to sell.<br /><br />I also second the notion that if you've got other responsibilities (kids, property, etc.), the boat project will take 5-10 times longer than you think...but this is as it should be (the boat is just a hobby).
 

18rabbit

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Re: Others' experience

Btw, no one mentioned that when you work on your own boat it is a project that is never done.<br /> :)
 

Realgun

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Re: Others' experience

Btw, no one mentioned that when you work on your own boat it is a project that is never done. :)
18 you waited all this time to tell me I will never finish? I am insenced! Hes right though. :D
 

Winger Ed.

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Originally posted by 18rabbit:<br /> Btw, no one mentioned that when you work on your own boat it is a project that is never done. :)
I was trying to get the young fella all pumped up and motivated, and let him get about 2/3 of the way through it before I told him that part.<br /><br />Ed.
 

jimmythekid

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Originally posted by Winger Ed.:<br />
Originally posted by 18rabbit:<br /> Btw, no one mentioned that when you work on your own boat it is a project that is never done. :)
I was trying to get the young fella all pumped up and motivated, and let him get about 2/3 of the way through it before I told him that part.<br /><br />Ed.
hee hee<br /><br />ive had mine out since late last september. I live in florida, so i can pretty much work on it anytime over the winter. I had no idea what I was getting into until I found the Iboats site (thanks to all)I ripped it down to the bare hull inside. There wasn't a weekend that went by without me doing something to the boat. Its now May, the boats at the marina,(neighbors complained) waiting for me to finish my conversion of the rear portion of the boat (went from a cuddy cabin pleasure boat to a cuddy cabin fishing boat) sorry guys no pics...yet<br /><br />So my 2 cents: I you have a life and/or a job don't plan on using it for a while. Its really not all that "hard" just ALOT of hard work. And it takes what seems like forever to fell like "your getting somewhere"<br /><br />You can do it, we have faith in you.<br /><br />To all you guys "that know me" sorry i haven't been around in a while, i have been very busy. I WILL be at the marina this weekend finishing up the rear platform, and the carpet, as well as polishing up the exterior. Taking lots of pics, maybe even one or two in the water :D and posting them for you to see (in a new thread of course) <br /><br />Believe it when we tell you, The Work Is never Done. Its the truth
 

swimmin' for shore

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Re: Others' experience

To add to the estimates given earlier, add in your fasteners, carpet or paint, depending on what you want to do to the floor. If you're planning on hull work, 100 dollars+/- worth of sandpaper for a DA sander and another 40 dollars for sheets to do the curve by hand. Sanding sponges work well for that. Paint for the exterior costs as much, or more, than resin. Then add an infinite amount of beer, coffee, or valium-whatever's to your taste.<br />After that, plan ahead. I can't say that enough. Plan everything, measure everything, do it twice. Don't put your floor down before figuring out where your stringers are. You'll be sorry if you decide to change something later, and don't remember. Know every step, and exactly how it coordinates with the other ones. If you have a good friend, you'll be much happier getting some help with laying the glass. Read numerous threads on everything you undertake. You'll find threads on everything from building a new block under the engine to painting, to thru-deck fittings, etc, etc...If you keep one step in front of the other, you'll be in great shape. If you're concerned about money, put your significant other to work. They're usually better at saving money than we are. I had a roommate decide she wanted to help with mine. Don't ask me why, but she came out there to help sand and she's the one who told me to go buy some marine grade upholstery. She pulled her sewing machine, and we redid every piece of upholstery in the boat for 150 dollars or so. There's a lot of money to be saved if you just pay attention to what you buy. Ebay, iboats, cabelas, etc....will save you a ton of money over home depot when it comes to purchasing all of this stuff. Good luck.
 
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