Permanent Fuel Tank - Test Drive Update

tengals123

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Nice, nice, nice. That wiring is fine. You have done a super job with those little projects.<br /><br />cheers
 

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Thanks Tengals,<br /><br />Need to print some labels for the 3-way. After test fitting the tank to deck plate, there is only about 3/4" between them! Whole length of filler hose is only about 4 inches. I bought 2 feet of filler hose thinking the filler would be more remote! LOL! Live and learn. <br /><br />Oh, still have to put in the vent. Haven't decided where it will be mounted yet. I have 3ft of vent hose, so its going to be up on the deck somewhere.
 

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hehe, I brought 7 foot of filler hose. The best kind you can buy. About $25AUD per 3 foot. and my filler only goes 3.5 feet. Like you said you live and you learn.<br /><br />cheers
 

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Mark looks like you daisey chained the lights and grounds? That's what im going to do. <br /><br />cheers
 

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Yep, daisy chaining them made the most sense and uses the least amount of wire and connectors. The only problem is that both insulated part of the wire will not fit in the insulated part of the spade connector, so something like liquid electric tape has to be applied to help seal it all up. As you can see from my pic, there are a few bare wires showing at crimp connectors. Probably using the next size up connector might take care of it.<br /><br />BTW the applicator brush that comes in the bottle of liquid elect. tape is too stiff, so I'm going to go back and use a soft kids water color paint brush instead.
 

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Wired in parallel is the way to go. <br /><br />Funny part in mine is that there are two separate grounds. 1 For lights 1 for instruments. I did not have the light ground connected at battery and the guages wachoed out. I have to make sure both + and - wires at battery are connected before throwing light switch.
 

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Pretty much finished the tank today. Even put away all the tools, vacuumed all the fiberglass dust out and washed it. Then it was off to the gas station for some gas, and tested the new Hidden Hitch on the Town Car at the same time. Only put 5 gallons in, because I didn't want to put any more in than I wanted to take out of there was a problem. Worked good. Primer bulb came up nice and hard, no problems there. Also, there are no gas odors coming from the gas vent. This is something a few people warned against in other posts, but I ended up putting the vent in front of the windshield, on the starboard side. When I was dispensing gas into the tank, the first two tries had gas shoot back up the deck plate. For a moment I thought I might have forgot to remove the plug! But it was me just not pulling back far enough on that darned plastic cover on the nozzle. <br />
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are you concerned at all about how close the tank is to the guages and other wiring? i just in stalled a tank in a similar position and now im slightly concerned about fire danger.i am now considering putting all my wiring and guages in conduit and enclosures.how far from your tank to guages/wiring? your boat is really looking sweet!
 

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mark, the filler vent is sitting on ridges how did you seal it?<br />Looks great.<br /><br />cheers
 

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Jeromeo,<br /><br />Not really concerned about the proximity of tank and wires. I did take precaution to prevent any rubbing and chafing that could cause leaks in the fuel hose. Also made sure everything is secure, including the wire and make sure there are no gas/fume leaks. <br /><br />Thanks for the kind words. I think I'll be keeping it for a while ;) <br /><br />Hey Tengals!<br /><br />I had to grind down the ridges flush with the deck then sealed it with Boat Life brand sealer. Don't know what it is, but it looks like silicone, feels like silicone but does not smell like silicone (vinegar), and takes a very long time to cure. I in fact, it does not smell at all that I can remember. I did check the tube but it does not list the ingredients. North Jersey Marine suggested it for sealing parts that have to come apart again in the future. To remove the tank the deck plate will have to come out first.<br /><br />Grinding down the ridges was a bit of a pain. I used a sanding disk and cone shapped stone. A Dremmel tool would have been best, but I don't have one. Covered surrounding area with tape to protect the surface from slips, so I only made one real "oops" that didn't go all the way through the gel coat. <br /><br />If you notice in the picture of the deck, the area between the ridges is not too shiny, because it's hard to get the polisher in there. I was afraid of wearing the gel coat off the tops of the ridges. But now that I cut through the ridges, I see that they are mostly gel coat! Also the plug that came out from drilling the hole for the filler plate showed that the gel coat is at about 1/32" thick on the flat surface so there is plenty of "wear room" for buffing. So I'm going to go back over that whole deck with the polishing compound and buffer to get a better shine. <br /><br />Now for the "problem": the gas gauge shows 1/4 full when the tank is about 1/3 full (I put 5 gallons in a 14 gallon tank). The sender's ohms value matches the gauge spec (240 - 33). I did measure it before installing the tank and got the same readings. If the gauge does not register more accuratly with motor running (14 volts versus 12 v from just battery) then maybe a resistor to increase the ohms or decrease by shorting might be in order. This is the same movement used in all Teleflex fuel gauges according to their tech sheet. Think there could be a problem with the guage? Or is this normal? I have not followed their instructions for testing the gauge yet by grounding the sending side to get a full reading, and disconnect it to get an empty reading - I'll do that tonight.<br /><br />Edit: I just noticed my daughter is hiding behind the steering wheel. She likes to sneak up on me while I'm working then yell "Surprise!". Does wonders for your nerves. LOL!<br /><br />Edit Again:<br /><br />EDIT: <br />Here is the sealer I used:
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<br />Copy reads " A long lasting, permanently flexible marine polysulfide sealant which can be sanded, painted and used above and below the waterline. Tack-free in 1 to 3 days, Cures in 7-10 days (weather dependent). Excellent resistance to teak oils, gasoline and diesel fuel."
 

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great job and great thinking about that filler. Well done. Onto the gauge, a stupid question, but does your tank sit 100% flat on the floor?<br /><br />cheers
 

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The tank sits flat enough. Right now its on the trailer and that is about as flat as it's going to get. I did short out the sender to ground as per Teleflex instructions and the gauge does go past full to the limit like they say it should. Things so hectic here tonight I didn't have time to disconnect the sender and test the resistance on the leads at gauge end. <br /><br />Next week I'm heading out to Sag Harbor, NY and drop her in the bay for a few days and play around with the bimini top poles while I'm there. It's going to be me and my daughter, my sister and a few of her kids and my Mom and Dad. My wife will stay home with our son who is still in high school and with the baby. Should be fun, my sister and her kids haven't been in my boat yet. Hope we get good weather so I can burn a whole tank of gas and really test that gauge out! LOL!
 

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'can I come too'<br /><br /><br />cheers
 

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BTW, here is a close up of the deck plate. You can see the ridge has been ground away. Also visible is a groove cut into the gel coat (Oops!) while grinding down the ridge. Hey, I made a mistake, so shoot me. It's amazing how thick the gel is in places on this boat.
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<br /><br />Those specks on the fill are dust. Yes, hard to believe as it is, I do occasionally get dust in my garage. :D
 

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you did a good job of it.<br /><br />Now......CLEAN THAT DUST!<br /><br />hehe<br />cheers
 

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Wave, <br /><br />Double clamping is a good idea. And venting in an enclosed area like the console is the real key. I guess it would be a good idea to enclose the back of the gauges. Maybe some cardboard (like the grey stuff on the back of note pads) could be cut and taped together, then painted with thinned resin. It soaks right in and makes a kind of fiber board. Discovered this when I spilled some thinned resin in my workshop on a note pad.
 

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" are you concerned at all about how close the tank is to the guages and other wiring? i just in stalled a tank in a similar position and now im slightly concerned about fire danger.i am now considering putting all my wiring and guages in conduit and enclosures.how far from your tank to guages/wiring?"<br /> <br />jeromeo,<br /><br />I'm going to be installing a tank in a small center console, which will be close to the gages.<br />As a precaution, I'm going to add some small vents to the console and double clamp all hose connections.
 

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That looks so good. I think that fuel fill is better for you in the long run. It matches the horn too. My horn is white. :)
 

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Had the boat out on the Sag Harbor, NY the last few days. I am very happy with the results. Took a spin around Shelter Island with the new tank setup to test it out. I did bring along a portable tank with a few gallons just in case I ran into problems with the permanent setup. The fuel gauge reads full when the tank is full, and half when the tank is half. Will see how she does as I use up more gas.<br /><br />Me and my Dad launched yesterday morning a 9:00am on a beautiful morning. Water was smooth and wind was mild. With a full tank we headed out to circle Shelter Island. Dad read the chart and I drove. First thing I noticed was that it did feel bow heavy leaving the marina. Could have been because it was two adults and 14 gallons of gas all up front. So I stopped and trimmed out a bit. That let the bow up a little and it planed at around 10mph. Later I ran it wot and it was very steady, no porposing like I used to get at top speed with the fuel in the rear. And it cut the waves much better than before. Especially from huge cruisers leaving monster wake, it cut the water rather than ride up on top like it did before. This really made for a more enjoyable ride. Not a Caddy, but not bone jarring either.<br /><br />My Dad said that was the smoothest ride he has ever had on the bay in any boat. That was saying a lot. He especially liked that it didn't pound the water. I have to attribute it to the extra weight up front. I was pleased that Dad had a good time. It was his 75th birthday on Monday.<br /><br />Saturday I was out with a full load: me and my daughter, my sister and two of her sons 12 and 5. We found a calm area and did a top speed run and only reached 27 mph, about 1 mph less than before the tank with the same load. Had similar experience with me and Dad, we managed 28mph, expected the prior speed of 29. I'll have to play with the trim to find out what works best and mark it on the motor. I sure would like to have a power trim.<br /><br />All in all I am happy. I have to admit that after filling the tank, some gas did spit out the vent while out on the water. After a few gallons were used that ended and no more gas smell. I'll look into putting some sort of baffle or trap in the vent line to prevent gas from sloshing out when full.<br /><br />Kept track of distance and fuel. Manged to cover 37 Nautical miles on 7 gallons total. The trip around Shelter Island was 21 nautical miles and took 1.5 hrs and used about 2.6 gallons per hour with speeds varying between 15 and 22 mph. <br /><br />Not very expensive to operate is she? <br /><br />Now to work on that convertable top.
 

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great work, sounds like you had a ball. I bet your dad loved it too!<br />keep up the great work!<br /><br /> :) <br />cheers
 
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