What is the best way to spice wires?

rickdb1boat

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I have some smaller wires that I want to splice(16-18 Gauge) and was just wondering the best way to do this. I'm not in love with butt connectors, but if they can be sealed watertight(Liquid tape, shrink tape, Ect), would this be the way to go? Some will be exposed to water and some not. Any ideas would be appreciated.. Thanks Guys,
 

cp

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Let's not get into whether crimping butt connectors or soldering is a better way to splice wires. You get to decide which you'll do ;) . Both have their advocates and detractors. A properly done (no cold solder, no acid core, no over penetration) solder splice will do, just as a properly crimped (right crimp tool, full insertion, proper pressure) one will. Either way though, you can insulate and seal the splice against moisture using adhesive-lined shrink tubing or adhesive-lined butt connectors. Go to the following link and click on the appropriate one that you want.<br /><br />Ancor Products
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Thanks for he reply, pchonda. Just wondered if butt connectors and shrink tubing would be best for underwater use. I thought about using the butt connector and then liquid tape and then putting the shrink over that. Might be overkill, but better safe than sorry. My main concern is corrosion, so I want them sealed tight...
 

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Here's a trick I learned from my dad -- It's damn near bullet proof when done right ... especially if you use shrink tubing with "glue" on the inside to make it water proof.<br /><br />Strip about 2 inches. slip on about 4 inches of HS tubing. Tie the stripped ends in a square knot. Twist the free ends back around the stripped leads (you should end up with a straight thing, not a T ... you don't twist the free ends around each other). Solder the knot plus a little of the twist. Seal up with heat shrink. You get a connection that you can pull on and is flexible. <br /><br />I use this for connections that I hope to never have to do again (hard to get at, etc).
 

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Is the liquid tape a good product if you don't have seat shrink? It seems like that stuff should be pretty water-tight, right?
 

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

I strip and solder them, then give the soldered joint a light coat with 5200 and then shrink fit tubing over the top of that. I have never had one of these joint fail and I've been doing them this way for at least 15 years that I can recall.<br /><br />Thom
 

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

I use regular butt connectors. Fill the connector with silicone first then insert the wire and crimp. You can heat shrink over this if you want to but you don't have to.
 

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Rick - the answer to your question is in the second-to-last paragraph ... or read the rambling to get there. :) <br /><br />For use on a boat, the ONLY way to splice wires is either a screwed or crimped* butt connector or other mechanical fastener such as a terminal block. Absolutely NO soldering connection of conductors for any use on a boat, per ABYC code and adopted by the USCG. It is not clear to me if this rule applies to solder type VHF antenna wire connectors.<br /><br />For use of conductors underwater, either use the appropriate un-spliced, type 3 conductors or house the conductors in a submergible, non-conductive (rigid or flexible) conduit such as liquid-tight. The conduit needs to terminate in a NEMA type 6 or 6P enclosure for prolonged submerged, NEMA type 4X if occasional exposed to water (4X is water tight from a direct hose blast). You may not need an enclosure at all if you are only routing the conductor(s) through a wet environment, dry at both ends.<br /><br />Conductors (wires) need to be marine grade, stranded (type 2 or type 3) only. NO SOLID COPPER (type 1) CONDUCTORS** . NO ALUMINUM CONDUCTORS OF ANY KIND***. If the conductors are in conduit you can use type 2, otherwise use type 3. The difference is type 3 wire has more strands of a smaller diameter that can tolerate a greater level of vibration/flexing without the individual strands breaking inside the insulator. Type 2 wire doesn’t tolerate as much flexing but is protected from it in the conduit.<br /><br />I don’t even mess with it…I only use type-3 conductors for everything … in or out of conduit. I buy Type 3, 105 deg C, marine-grade**** wire on Ebay for 1/3 retail price (made by East Penn Mfg). I use Carlon LiquidTight flexible conduit and fittings (Home Depot), Stahlin NEMA 4X fiberglass boxes (Ebay, 1/3 retail price), cheap brass connectors inside enclosures, Anchor connectors outside enclosures. I have high voltage AC (120/60 30amps) and high voltage DC (100 amps) running thru the bilge, fully protected. It was been totally submerged in diesel fuel and in seawater for prolonged periods…no problems.<br /><br />* It is ok to use a solid, electrical grade copper bar for power distribution.<br />** Crimping methodology is now better than ever and as good as any soldered joint for conductivity and has more than enough holding strength…if done correctly. I use an Ancor ratchet crimp tool, model 701030. It double crimps, both the stripped portion of wire in the connector and the nylon insulation around the un-stripped part of the wire at the same time without over crimping and crushing. I have not been able to pull and separate a wire from a crimped connector.<br />*** This includes NOT using those common, cheap aluminum connectors like you find in auto parts stores or hardware stores. Anchor brand or other marine grade (plated brass) is preferred. Inexpensive, uncoated brass connectors are just as good IF you coat them with liquid electrician tape or equivalent after crimping. Technically, ATO type fuses (a.k.a. blade fuses) are not approved for use on a boat because they are an aluminum conductor inside.<br />**** Marine-grade wire has each copper strand tin coated to prevent corrosion. The stripped wire appears silver but the end of a cut piece of wire is copper.<br /><br />For your application you can use an inexpensive brass butt connectors without the nylon insulator, crimp, coat with liquid e-tape, then adhesive lined shrink tubing. This connection meets all the rules, will not corrode, will tolerate splashing water, but it is NOT appropriate for prolonged submersion. To submerge, use the same process but route the wire through liquid-tight conduit as mentioned above.<br /><br />Why go do it right? I met someone that used to be an insurance adjuster. She explained how her job was to investigate until she found something not standard or not to code that could be reasonably blamed as the cause of the mishap to remove all liability on the part of the insurance company. This leaves the boat owner negligent and responsible for all repair/replacement costs of their boat, any damage to docks, piers, other boats, fuel spilled, etc… She said the whole process made her sick and she quit the insurance industry altogether.<br /><br />James – liquid e-tape on it’s own is an adequate seal against corrosion where flexing is not an issue. If flexing is expected, add the adhesive lined shrink tubing over the liquid e-tape.
 

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Why rabbit, whats up doc, glad to have you back. :)
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: What is the best way to spice wires?

Thanks for all the suggestions, guys. Especially rabbit for the detailed explanation. I think I have it down now and can proceed with confidence. Appreciate all the replies and helpful info... BTW- there will be some splash, but no total underwater contact...
 
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