bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

spacemanpete

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Okay, so it's only mysterious to me -- I'm sure most of you will give me a big "duh": I have an old bilge pump that has three wires, one red, one black and one white. I'm starting with the premise that red is hot. Black would seem to me to be negative. When I hooked it up straight to the battery the only way it worked was to have red and white on positive, and black on negative. What's the deal here? If it was anything else but electricity I'd go with the "as long as it works, don't worry about it" line but I'm looking for an explanation this time around . . . thanks for your help.
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Duh!!! … Oh! Sorry… :) <br /><br />Not a silly a question, and not an uncommon one here, either. The bilge pump can be operated in either a manual mode or an auto mode. One of the (+) leads would be wired to an on/off switch for manual operation. The other (+) lead is wired to a float switch for auto switching. There are other ways to accomplish the same thing with a single (+) and a single (-) so we don’t see as many of the 3-wire pumps anymore. Hope that helps. :)
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Hey, thanks. That was actually my one guess, but that didn't really make sense to me either, because I figured the switch would just be incorporated into the two wire system. That explains then, the "myster button" (with no attached wiring) on the console. Am I okay, then, wiring the red and white together to the positive connection?<br /><br />Maybe I should do a search on this, but is there an advantage one way or the other? I can't really see a reason for a manual switch as it seems this should be an item that is available all the time (including when the boat is unoccupied.
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Hi Spaceman,<br />I would think the "manual override" would be in the event of a float switch failure (and water is acomin' in...). You don't want to be fumbling with wire strippers under these circumstances.<br /><br />Why would it fail? Why does anything fail... Age, breakage, jamb, debris obstruction.<br /><br />Happy boating.<br />-Mike
 

paulrfrancisco

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Go to the RULE website ... maybe they ahve wiring diagrams... or the website for the bilge pump you have...
 

TwoBallScrewBall

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

It should work with either red OR white on positive (one at a time), and black on negative. Reg should go to a toggle switch so you can manually activate the pump, white to a float switch so the water activates it.
 

spacemanpete

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Thanks for the info. Steve,with having the red and white separate, it doesn't work. This is an older pump -- can't remember the brand off the top of my head, but I'll do some more looking for diagrams as suggested.
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

If what you have been told is accurate, that one of the wires is to run it from a float switch and the other is for manual over ride then it should work when either of the two (red or white) wires is provided with power so long as the black is grounded. You tell us that it won't work unless both the red and white is provided with power. That tells me that the pump is defective. I would not use it myself. Bilge pumps are very inexpensive, why take a chance?<br /><br />Normal wireing for a bilge pump works like this:<br /><br />Most float switches have two gray wires. Most bilge pumps will have a brown wire and a black wire. The black wire from the bilge pump is connected to the DC (-) terminal on one of your batterys. Power is taken from your power supply, either at the battery directly (worst) or from the input side of your battery switch (best) and routed to one of the gray wires from the float switch, doesn't matter which one. The other gray wire from the float switch is connected to the brown wire on the bilge pump. That's all for fully automatic operation.<br /><br />Fully manual operation would have the black wire from the pump running the the DC - and the red wire from the pump running up to a switch, usually at the dash, which would supply power when in the "On" position. That's it for fully manual operation.<br /><br />To have both you first wire it as if for fully automatic operation but then you also run power from a switch and tie it into the gray wire from the float switch and the red wire from the pump, so that all three wires are connected.<br /><br />When you do it this 3rd way power is always available to the float switch so anytime it is activated by water in the bilge power is supplied to the pump. Also, even if power is not being supplied through the float switch (possibly becuause float switches are the least reliable boat part that I can possibly think of) you can still energize the system from your manual switch, probably located up on the dash.<br /><br />There is one other benefit to this and I recommend you take advantage of it - I have done it on each of my 3 bilge pumps and I'm happy I did.<br /><br />If you go to Radio Shack you can pick up little colored indicator lights for about three bucks each (or you can buy LCD's). If you mount one of these right next to your manual over ride bilge pump switch (probably on your dash board) all you have to do is ground one of the wires from the light and then run the other wire to the same side of the switch that has the wire going back to the bilge pump. If you do this what will happen quite naturally is that when you turn on the switch to power the bilge pump the light will also come on. That is nice because it tells you if you have left the switch on. However what a lot of folks miss is this, if the automatic float switch kicks on because of water in the boat it will send power to the bilge pump but at the same time it will also send power up the wire that goes to that switch. So your indicator light will go on if the float switch kicks on even if the manual over ride switch is in the "Off" position. That is to say the light will act as a warning light that you have water in the bilge and the pump is running. Not a bad thing to know about sometimes.<br /><br />Thom
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Cool. Thanks for the good information. I will follow your suggestions -- and, yeah, I'll take another look at the pump when I have a chance but then, most likely, replace it.
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Thom,<br />Thanks for the good description of how to hook a bilge pump.<br />There are several console swithces that have a light built in. Do you know if they work as you describe . Primarily the light comes on if the pump comes on in the auto mode.<br />Fitz.
 

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Mr. Fritz,<br /><br />I would immagine that is how they would work. I can't think of any other way they might have one wired, right off hand.<br /><br />I really like those warning lights myself. We have 3 pumps in our boat and each of them has a light. The aft pump was in the boat when we bought it, its about 4" forward of the transom. Its wired for both manual and automatic operation, as noted above with the light (green). The second pump is farther forward by about 4 feet and is accessed through a hatch if the need be. Its wired the same way as the first pump with its own manual switch on the dash as well as its own indicator light (green). Our third pump is located under the steps leading into the cabin, about half way up the hull on our 23' boat. This one doesn't have a manual switch, just an indicator light - and it is bright red. If the first pump's light comes on that just means some water got in the boat and its being taken care of. If the first two green lights are on that means there's a good bit of water in the boat and I should be paying a lot of attention. If that red light comes on we are in trouble.<br /><br />Thom
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Originally posted by ThomWV:<br /> . You tell us that it won't work unless both the red and white is provided with power. That tells me that the pump is defective. <br />Thom
Oh PLEASE...if he (ready for this?) didn't turn the pump OVER it will NEVER work on auto. Pete, at least stick it in a can of water and check it. Ya GOTTA activate the switch! And if you hook both wires together from the switch (a no-no), it will never shut off (the auto wire is always hot!). Hook it up properly to a 3 way toggle switch thats lighted. I have mine hooked permanant on auto, with a spare pump and seperate hose for manual. Could save the day...I don't trust just one sitting nest to that expensive motor.
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Read what he said again, I think you missed something. He said "the only way it worked was to have red and white on positive" so the question isn't if the pump is upright and has an internal switch the point seems to be that the MANUAL side of the internal switching is dead because at least one of those wires alone should have been able to make it run. You may be dead right about the wire for the automatic side but that wasn't what was in question.<br /><br />Oh, what do you gain by having one pump only automatic and one pump only manual? I only ask because I have two pumps that work either automatic or manual and then a third pump that is automatic only so if there is some thinking on a more logical way to have it set up I'm interested in what your thinking was. Safety first.<br /><br />Thom
 

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Thom, you should see the people that forget the obvious...I SEE it all the time. I don't decipher post as common sense will work better. Look, if the pump worked with both wires, do you think that it didn't work with one BECAUSE IT WASN'T FLIPPED TO ACTIVATE THE SWITCH? It worked with both, so how could the pump be bad? Again, common sense. And you ask.....<br />"what do you gain by having one pump only automatic and one pump only manual?"<br /> On my big boat, I leave my auto OR manual ALWAYS on auto. Keeps the 5000lb barge from sinking if something happens when I aint around. And the other pump is for when the first one might just NOT work when needed. Simple, and again just common sense. Been at this for 50 years. You read too much into a post. :D
 

spacemanpete

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Re: bilge pump wiring -- mystery wire

Well, so I'm a little late in responding, but ThomWV, you are right -- I had it sitting in a bucket of water with the switch activated. The only way it worked was with red and white both on hot. I actually haven't looked at it since this discussion -- too damn cool up here. Peter
 
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