Problems with first trip out with this motor...

[Franki]

Hi guys..<br /><br />I took my boat out on Friday for the first time in over a year.. and with a different motor/dash/steering/wiring (pretty much everything bar the hull.)<br /><br />Anyway, I made a mental list of the problems I encountered. (Boat is a 17Foot Half cabin with a Johnson 100HP 72 model on the back. 100ESL72)<br /><br />1. Throttle cable was very tight.. never got the motor over 4000 rpm becqause it wouldn't go further.<br />2. Motor emptied most of a 25 liter gas tank in about 20 minutes at 4000rpm. (doing about 30-35MPh)is that normal?<br />3. Motor Vibrated alot.. it seemed unbalanced.. is that most likely the prop? (How does one go about balancing a prop???)<br />4. New battery went flat for no reason., I checked with my multimeter and there is no current draw with everything off.. and if I have the fishfinder, the nav and dash lights all on, it draws about 2 amps (at most)... so I don't know why the battery went flat so quickly. (to flat to start the 100 anyway, had to get home on the kicker.)<br />5. boat was too rear heavy.. fuel, batteries, 2 motors, and my 120kg in the back really pulled it down.. couldn't get the boat to a level plane..<br />That probably restricted my speed and my fuel consumption.. will try setting the trim out alittle more and getting a bow fuel tank...<br />How bad is it for batteries up the front??<br />6. My Chrysler 6HP kickers pull starter rope has come all the way out, and will not retract...<br />anyone played with one of those before?<br />Had to use roap around the flywheel to get it started.. very annoying..<br />7. Didn't catch a single fish.. but was fun anyway...<br />8. New Teleflex SafeT cable steering was very very stiff.. whole thing is only a month old.<br /><br />Anyone with comments about any of those points would be most welcome to jump in anytime and give me some tips.<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Franki

 

[Franki]

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oh yeah...<br /><br />One point I forgot to mention...<br /><br />Once I got over 25mph, with the trim as it was, I lost most of my steering ability.. the boat kept going more or less straight regardless of the motor position.. is that cos the bow was too high???<br /><br />rgds<br /><br />Franki

 

[sailor_turned_stinkpotter]

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I recently repaired the starter on a Chrysler 6hp I had. But believe it or not, I just today replaced the starter on a 1974 6hp evinrude I just bought. I had to take off the friggen starter to clean and rebuild the carbie, and the amount of time it took me to figure that little bugger out to put back on I could have stripped and put new pistons in the motor! ( now, what is it that everyone on this site keeps saying about mechanics that work on motors without the manual.....hmmmmm I feel quite FOOLISH now!) So my point is the two are quite different and my memory is a little fuzzy on the Chrysler, but I do remember it seemed simler than this evinrude.<br /><br />I wish I could run out and look at the Chrysler, but I already sold it with my little trailer sailer.<br /><br />If memory serves me correct, you will have to pull the flywheel so you can pull the pinion gear so you can pretension the spring so the rope will rewind.<br /> <br />But I also remember the big circle clip that circles the pinion gear has a protrusion that fits into a brace which would come slightly loose and bind with the circle clip, and when this happens the rope is prevented from retracting.<br /><br />If that is the problem all you need to do is free the circle clip and torque the bolts that hold the brace, after you straighten the brace so the protrusion on the circle can turn back and forth freely.<br /><br />This is probably as clear as mud right now, but if you run out and look at the plastic starter pinion gear and big circle clip you will see what i mean.<br /><br />Now about your steering. I also just replaced my cable and I think you mentioned your cable bolts directly onto the front of your motor like mine does. If so, does the mounting bracket have a universal or ball joint? Without a ball joint it would be quite hard to steer, but I assume you know that and the problem lies elsewhere.<br /><br />Anyways, good luck,<br />dave.

 

[Franki]

Re: Problems with first trip out with this motor...

Hi Dave...<br /><br />I don't have a manual for the chrysler 6hp.. but I have looked.. <br /><br />just went out and had a look.. there is what appears to be a big circlip type thing under the plastic gear on the worm thread that hits the flywheel when you pull the starter, that circlip looks like it should be un the bottom of the gear,, but it isn't..that appears to be the first problem.. <br /><br />looks like I am going to have to go and buy a flywheel puller to get it off and have a better look.<br /><br />As for the steering. yes, it has a balljoint that allows movement and different angles.. and where it attaches to the motor.. it has a bracket that allows the motor to tilt up..<br /><br />Many the problem is just that there is a sharp bend in the corner somewhere.. have to check it out abit better..<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Franki

 

[sailor_turned_stinkpotter]

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Frankie,<br />The Chrysler flywheel is removed by levering it with a long bar while you smack the nut on the driveshaft with a hammer. First you need to loosen the nut and make sure you dont hit it too hard or you could damage it or the driveshaft. Its a coordinated motion, smacking and levering at the same time....<br /><br />cheers,<br />dave.

 

[Franki]

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Thanks dave, <br /><br />Thats how I have always taken off flywheels, but doesn't always work. (my olde 40 Lark never came off that way. regardless of the force involved.)<br /><br />But I shall give it a go.. the crysler is alot smaller then the 40....<br /><br />will be interesting....<br /><br />I am hoping that this doesn't end up costing me more money,, there are lots of other areas the boat needs my cash for <br /><br />rgds<br /><br />Franki

 

[steelespike]

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Throttle: may be a kinked cable,disconnect if still stiff check cable check at motor by hand without cable connected.<br />If your not planing right it would surely use too much fuel.trim the motor in for better planing<br /> if in too far may cause it to bury the bow.<br /> vibration could be the prop but could be skipping<br />you need to be sure you are running on all cylinders.check for spark,use a manual for correct procedure, also check compression.<br /> measure voltage at battery with the motor at<br /> speed should be about 14 volts.If less you are not charging correctly.<br />Steering cable may be kinked,dissconnect and turn<br />motor by hand.Motor pivot may be stiff.<br /> Its hard to believe you are making 30 mph if the boat doesnt plane right.<br /> If the motor turns the boat should turn.If steering is stiff maybe the motor is not turning enough under a load.

 

[Franki]

Re: Problems with first trip out with this motor...

Hi steelspike, <br /><br />Thanks for the tip.. <br /><br />i have since put the motor on its lowest angle.. see if that helps any next time out..<br /><br />The motor was turned to about 3 quater lock.. and the boat was not responding much.. but I think I'll worry about that next time I am out and see if the trim angle improves things..<br /><br />I have a spare throttle cable here, so I might try that one, the current one is too long anyway, which might be why it has tight, too many bends...<br /><br />I was planning on taking off the bottom pivit on the OB to see whats going on.. it seems very loose in there, so maybe a rubber bracket has let go somewhere..<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Franki

 

[Franki]

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Dave...<br /><br />I have the flywheel off.. one tap and off it came.. hardly had to apply any pressure..<br /><br />Anyway.. looking at the starter system,, I can't see how I can get the spring pressure back on.. (the spring seems ok.. if I spin it around enough.. it springs back into position..)<br /><br />I have to release the spring plate from the rope pully long enough to get the rope back in.. then tension the spring a turn or two, and reconnect the spring to the rope pully... does that make sense?? is there a way to do this?<br /><br />better yet.. does anyone have a schematic for a Crysler 6HP mid to late 70's???<br /><br />rgds<br /><br />Franki

 

[Franki]

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^^^^^^^ Bump ^^^^^^^^

 

[sailor_turned_stinkpotter]

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Frankie, <br />If I remember correctly, on my chrysler 6hp the spring was locked when I replaced the roll pin through the pinion gear.<br />So I wound the rope around the drum, and the spring is tensioned as you do so, but to get the extra tension on the spring you need to go a few extra turns around the drum after the rope is fully wound, which means you need to fasten an extension on the rope so it can remain threaded around that little bar and back out the front of the motor.<br />Then, after you get your extra few turns, replace the roll pin in the pinion gear and carefully pull the rope out since it will now be under tension then once you get it out the front of the motor tie it off.<br />There is probably another way to do this but this method worked for me,<br /><br />cheers,<br />dave.

 

[Franki]

Re: Problems with first trip out with this motor...

Hi Dave, <br /><br />do you know what year your Crysler was?? that description doesn't sound that much like what I have here in front of me...<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Franki

 

[sailor_turned_stinkpotter]

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Frankie,<br /><br />Mine was somewhere between a 70 to 79, I think.<br />Yours might be a little older, maybe late sixties.<br />Did you check http://www.marinshopen.se/ ?<br /><br />Those starters can be a royal pain in the +ss, but its something if you perservere youll eventually get it.<br /><br />Good luck,<br />dave.

 

[Franki]

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Thanks Dave,,,<br /><br />I remember checking and discovering its a 75-76 model.. its not that old really... <br /><br />The Model number is 62HG and according to the google searches I just did.. that is about right.. <br /><br />As for http://www.marinshopen.se/ I can't read most of their site.. so I don't know what I am to find there...<br /><br />I was hoping someone here had a schematic.. if not I'll just pull the whole pull start mechanism out and work out how it works that way..<br /><br />regards<br /><br />franki

 

[sailor_turned_stinkpotter]

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Ooops, sorry Frankie,<br />Just click on Modellguide and you can usually decipher your year with their extensive model guide. Its the best one Ive seen online and you really only have to guess at a few german words.<br /><br />My Chrysler was a 62HH.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />dave.

 

[Franki]

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Doesn't narrow it down much,, it tells me that<br />62 HA-HH, H8 is 1971-78 <br /><br />we already knew that but I'm going to assume that HH was 78 and HG was 76-77 which sounds about right.<br /><br />Anyone got a schematic?? <br /><br />I took alook tonight and realises that I would have to pull out the powerhead in order to get the pullstarter out.<br /><br />not nice.. so maybe I will try your method since it looks like the models were so similiar..<br /><br />rgds<br /><br />Franki

 

[rickdb1boat]

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Hi Franki<br />The only person I know of that can decipher those Chrysler model numbers is Member ALCAN. Might give him a shout directly and he will know.

 

[ob]

Re: Problems with first trip out with this motor...

Chrysler 6 hp 62HG is a 1976 model.

 

[Franki]

Re: Problems with first trip out with this motor...

Oh, ok, I was right the first time...<br /><br />Maybe one of you guys might know...<br /><br />should I pull the powerhead off, and take out the pullstarter mechanism to fix it? or will Daves answer work?<br /><br />I noticed that all the spring tension is gone now.. so I am assuming that one end of the spring has come out... <br /><br />any ideas guys?<br /><br />regards<br /><br />Franki