1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

joemamma_222

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I've searched the archives on this but Havent found anything...My motor idles smooth and Runs at top speed smooth. The Middle of the throttle however is not smooth. I cant just "punch the throttle" and go. The Middle had like a dead spot where it will stutter for and inch or 2 of travel then pick up and run like a champ. The Model is a sport four and I believe the Ser# is 7702096053. Is this just a carb thing that just needs a rebuild or am I looking at a Mechanical advance problem ? Thanks !!! And if one of the OPMC guys can give me a part number I'll order the rebuild kit today ! (I cant find them in the mega mall )<br />Thanks <br />Joe In Ohio. 63 Lonestar.
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Is that a 60 HP or 65 HP? 4 Cylinder? Having a little trouble with that serial number...
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Thanks RB for the quick Reply. I'm looking at the title for the serial....Dont think I should be doing that. It's a 60 HP 4cyl.... I can get the model if need be when I get home...Thanks !!! :)
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

hmmm maybe the serial number is.....6065305407 or 7702096053 ?<br />1966 Evinrude SportFour 60HP.<br />Thanks Again !
 
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joemamma_222,<br /><br />With the hood off and the engine off, watch the plate under the flywheel move as you advance the throttle. Does it move smoothly?<br /><br />Note: you will have to have the engine in gear to do this. Again: engine OFF.
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Yes it Does move smoothly. Not sure what plate your talking about though. The linkage and Mechanical advance do have free range of motion. So It kinda led me to believe it might have been a carb problem. I will check again tonight and make SURE. But about a month ago I went thru the motions of watching the mechanical advance Move as I had someone push the throttle. what is this plate supposed to do ? The mechanical advance is on the back of the motor simply rotates as you puch the throttle.....Could the carb be stalling it out Mid throttle ?
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

If this engine is a 1966, 60 HP it would have a belt driven magneto, with a generator charging system, also belt driven. These older engines were quite different to sync. & link, so a manual is a must if you are not familuar with them. If you rebuild the carb, look it over carefully as there are numerus passages that are closed with lead shot, or plugs after they were machined. When working on the magneto to check points, condenser, cap, and rotor it has to be retimed with the flywheel, again with a manual. On an engine of this age, I would start right at the basic's.
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Good solid advice thankyou. I do have the serial number and model tracked down. Model : 60653R Serial: E05407. I'll order the carb kit and buy the book. Can I get the carb rebuild kit here ? Would anyone have a part number ? so .... If the timing IS off would it be a possible cause for the dead spot in the middle of the throttle ?<br /><br />Thankyou everyone ! PLEASE STOP SNOWING HERE !!!!<br />Joe
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

By the way .... there is no battery charging system. "Might have been taken off ?" But it is a belt driven mag. And like I said it idles and Tops out on RPM smooth for an old Gal. Just an 1" or 2 in the Middle it "falls on itself" Then Picks up RPM's and power 3/4 of the way up. The last compression test was good. The pressure escapes me now but (per this board it was in the green) all 4 cyl were the same.<br />Joe
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

I would guess that that the mid-range dead spot is caused by a carb problem. My Evinrude service manual calls this engine a Sportfour- Heavy duty. It's a plain, no frills engine.
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

The following is assuming that the carburetor is clean and that the fixed high speed jets are also clean.<br /><br />That dead spot in the center of the throttle range is usually due to one of two things, or both.<br /><br />Either the carburetor is out of synchronization with the timing or the carburetor slow speed needle valves are out of adjustment.<br /><br />Synchronization = Look at the vertical throttle arm on the port (left) side of the engine. The top portion of it has one portion longer than the other. We're interested in the long portion.<br /><br />Now, notice the top inspection plate, also on the port side. You'll see that the top rear portion of that inspection plate has a beveled portion protruding from it.<br /><br />Advance the throttle so that the forward edge of that long portion of the vertical throttle arm is aligned directly over and with the edge of the bevel on that inspection plate.<br /><br />With the above being in that position, adjust the carburetor throttle roller so that it is dead center with the scribe on the cam that slides against it.<br /><br />The above will have the throttle in sync with the timing. If the throttle opens too soon in relation to the timing, the engine will die out.<br /><br />Carburetor = Adjustment procedure follows:<br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustments - Older V/4 Downdraft Carb)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /> <br />NOTE: The early model downdraft carburetors incorporated "Adjustable High Speed Jets". The later model downdraft carburetors used "Fixed High Speed Jets". Follow the below instructions accordingly. If you do not have adjustable high speed jets, ignore those paragraphs pertaining to same.<br /><br />Lift the center High Speed Control lever and turn it so that the point faces forward, resting on the high ridge. This will disengage the lever control gear from the individual high speed jets (slots). Have the slow speed needle valve knobs installed upside down so that they can be turned without encountering any obstruction.<br /><br />Gently seat each of the High Speed needle valves, then back each one out one (1) turn. Gently seat each of the Slow Speed needle valves, then back each one out one and one half (1-1/2) turns. NOTE... have the jam nut on the s/speed needles snug so that viberation won't have any effect on them, but loose enough so that you can turn them without a great amout of effort.<br /><br />(High Speed)<br />With a reliable person at the wheel, and one kneeling in front of the engine, start the engine (yes, it will run lousy with the above initial needle valve settings), put it into forward gear, and apply full throttle. Start with the High Speed adjustment on the left using a screwdrive that properly fits the slot.<br /><br />(High Speed Adjustments)<br />At full throttle, with the proper size screwdriver, slowly start turning one of the H/S needles in segments of 1/8 turn, waiting momentarily for the engine to respond, then repeat turning. You will reach a point where the engine will start to die out. At that point, back that needle valve out approximately 1/4 turn. Now, go to the other High Speed needle valve and repeat that procedure. At some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest high speed setting (you can now lower the throttle rpm). That will have both high speed needle valves set correctly, and at that point you can lift that center lever adjustment of that high ridge, keeping it lifted until the point is facing the engine, then lower it into its proper position. (When you turn that lever now, you're adjusting both High Speed needle valves at the same time.)<br /><br />(Slow Speed Adjustments)<br />Now, lowering the rpms of course, take the engine out of gear and set the throttle just to where the engine will stay running. Again, in segments of 1/8 turn, slowly start turning in one of the slow speed needle valves, waiting a few seconds between each turning for the engine to respond. As you turn the s/speed needles in, the rpms will increase..... and as it does, lower the rpms to where the engine will just stay running (otherwise the rpms will climb quite high). You will reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mjild backfire). At that point, back the needle valve out 1/4 turn. Repeat the process with the remaining slow speed needle. Again, at some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest setting. When finished, tighten the jam nut somewhat, then remove and reinstall the s/speed knobs correctly (right side up).
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Yes it is very plain no frills ! LOL....But lots of power for my 16' aluminum boat. Does tha manual reference the Part no. for a carb rebuild kit ? And the book I should order should just be OMC/evinrude that encompasses my year ?<br /><br />Thanks ! I'm hoping it is the carb !I'd love to be able to mash this throttle and Raise the bow an additional foot !<br />Joe
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Damn thanks Joe !!! Thats why I love this board so Much ! I cant wait to get home and try it, Oh But I'll have to be in the water of course for the high speed. But I'm hoping it's a synchro Problem.....<br />Joe.<br /><br />PS. If I have to rebuild later does the manual give a part number ? I'd like ot order it when I order my book.....<br />Thanks again !
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Anyone gots a part number for the carb rebuild kit ?<br />Model # 60653R<br />Serial# E05407<br /><br />Still cant find one....Thanks !!!
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

The kit part no. is 436959 , about the only part numbers you will find in a service manual is for the special tool's where needed.
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Thankyou !!! You are all Extremely helpful !!! I'm chomping at the bit to see how much the thing is outta sync ! <br />Thanks again !
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Any Ideas on a place to order the carb kit ?? I cant find it here. and RabidFish is 35.00 I'm thinking that is a little overpriced ?? I'd like to get the manual and Kit at the same place...<br />Joe
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Hey Joe I tried what you said about the Sync on the carbs. "With the above being in that position, adjust the carburetor throttle roller so that it is dead center with the scribe on the cam that slides against it." Am I actually adjusting the Roller ? Or am I adjusting the CAM ? I adjusted the cam out by unscrewing the actuator bar out. It took alot of threads to get the cam scribe lined up with the carb roller bar. Adjusting the roller to the scribe would that be point of most retarded Timing and Idle speed ? When at wot I still have more Room to move on the Carb....the Book is comming .....will it show me all of this ?
 

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Re: 1966 Evinrude 60HP/Dead Spot in Throttle

Joe..... Contact me at my address listed below and I'll send you a page out of the manual that pertains to that setup. The page I have refers to a magneto but ignore that as the sync is the same for either ignition mode.
 
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