NO RPM

poreboy

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I HAVE AN 1968 40 HORSE EVIN. THE MOTOR SAT FOR MANNY YEARS.REBUILT CARBS MADE SURE HAD GOOD SPARK REPLACED POINTS AND CONDENSER.MOTOR RUNS GREAT.SOUNDS AS GOOD AS YOU WOULD WANT ONE TO SOUND.IT HAS A 10 1/2 12 PROP.LOWER UNIT WAS REBUILT.THE TIMING ADVANCE SEEMS TO BE WORKING.IT MOVES WITH THE THROTLE ALL THE WAY TO THE RUBBER STOPER.IVE TRIED EVERY THING I KNOW SHORT OF TAKING IT IN THE SHOP. THERE IS NO HIGH RPMS MAYBE 2000 ABOUT 5 TO 10 MPH CAN U HELP
 

JT117

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Re: NO RPM

Have looked to see if your carb butterflys are opining, and check to make sure that the throtle linkege to the carbs is attatched correctly? I don't know a lot about outbords,new to the boating seen, but when reading your problem that was the first thing that came to my mind.
 

poreboy

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Re: NO RPM

YES I CHECKED THE BUTTERFLYS THEY ARE WIDE OPEN.IM ASSUMEING THE LINKAGE IS WORKING RIGHT.THE CARBS WERE PULLED APART AND SHOT OUT WITH CARB CLEENER AND BLOWN OUT.I DONT THINK ITS THE CARB BECOUSE THE THING RUNS TO GOOD.THERE IS A PART ON THE MOTOR THAT I CANT FIND IN ANY BOOK OR EVEN AT THE DEALER.IT IS AN ALLUMINUM BRACKET WITH A BROKEN PIECE OF WHITE PLASTIC ON IT.AND SOMEKIND OF ADJUSTMENT SCREW ON IT.IM NOT SURE IF ITS APART OF THE PULL START. THAT IS NO LONGER THERE. OR ITS WHY I CANT GET ANY RPMS.
 

joe_morgan

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Re: NO RPM

I just had the exact same problem. Turned out to be the throttle cable had slipped in the throttle control and wasn't moving at far as it should. Test by dropping the throttle cable off the engine and revving the engine manually. See if your revs can get any higher. See my post about 1975 40hp.<br />Good luck
 

G DANE

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Re: NO RPM

Some of these had a vacuum switch to cut out the one cylinder to prevent runaways when motor was not under load. If thats what you are missing you are maybe only running on one cylinder, and thats the reason of low rpm.
 

Cricket Too

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I'm assuming tha the 2000 rpm's is under load, in water since you said 5 -10 mph, but anyway you really need to let those carbs soak in the cleaner and then blow them out with compressed air afterwards, just spraying carbs with carb cleaner may not get everything dislodged from all the jets, if you have something in a high speed jet it could be constricting it, but it would idle good beacuse the low speed jets are clear. Also did you perform a link and synch after you reinstalled the carbs, gotta make sure that timing is advancing corectly with the carbs opening. Good luck.
 
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Re: NO RPM

also forgot correct me if I'm wrong but johnson and evinrude carbs should not be soaked overnight or painted as they are coated to breathe correctly and either one of these practices will either remnove coating or clog casting.
 

poreboy

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Re: NO RPM

when i say i rebuilt carbs.i mean anything that would come out came outand was kkleened ive rebuilt lots of car carburaters and have since pulled off the carbs and checked for junk.but ile try again.it could be the vaccume switch.would you be able tell when it cut out.on the odd peice.where is it located? and what does it do?and what does the dealer call it? becouse they couldnt find it in there computers or old books and i cant find it in my book either.
 

rwise

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can you post a picture of it? what about compresion are both good and at least close? Carb cleaned, link and sync, good compersion an all cylinders should go!
 

poreboy

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i dont have a picture yet ile try to get one im not sure what my compresion is yet.I KNOW THAT PART THAT IM NOT SURE WHAT IT IS.IST THE VACCUME ADVANCE ITS ON THE SIDE.THIS THING SETS RIGHT IN FRONT ABOVE THE CARB.I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS TIMING ADVANCE LINKAGE THAT WALLEYE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT.
 

Solittle

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Please turn off the caps lock - hard to read & called shouting.
 

poreboy

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oh sorry about that.I guess when you cant help its beter to just cut down.thanx
 

Paul Moir

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Re: NO RPM

Hello poreboy.<br /><br />The vaccum cutout is not a vaccum advance. There is no use of a vaccum advance on an outboard. It's there as sort of a rev limiter for a run-away condition, where you have the throttle closed and the engine is running at high rpms. IE, a high manifold vac condion. It'll work as long as the only source of ignition is the spark plugs. :) <br /><br />I suspect you're dropping a cylinder. I noticed you replaced points and condensors, but not ignition coils. These coils are well known to develop cracks in their insulation over time. Often when this happens, you loose spark in one cylinder. Other times though, the coil only arcs over at higher than idle rpms, so when you check spark at pull start speeds, everything seems fine.<br /><br />It's pretty easy to figure out if your dropping a cylinder. Simply disconnect one of the spark plug leads and ground it out. Then run the engine, and see how it operates. Then replace the lead and ground out the other, and run it. If there's any difference, you're dropping a cylinder.<br /><br />I hope this helps!<br /><br />PS - go easy on Solittle, it's really annoying to try to read all caps, and it's a long standing tradition on the internet to read that as shouting.<br /><br />EDIT: Setting up the throttle timing (link&sync) is covered in the service manual, and it's a little lenghty to describe here. Especially without pictures. You can sometimes find service manuals on ebay for a fraction of the price of new. If you can't wait, sometimes you can borrow them from your local library. But lync&sync doesn't affect full throttle operation, where the carb butterfly and the spark advance are both up against their stops.<br /><br />EDIT 2: I just noticed a couple OEM service manuals on ebay for a '68 40hp johnson (same/same). One $10, other $12. Search for 'Johnson 40 manual'
 

poreboy

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Re: NO RPM

i would like to thank everyone for trying to help me.i did find the the problem and i hope someone reads this and it saves them lotts of time.what happend was under the mag ther is a little clip that screws down to hold the spark plug wires.well the wires are old.and one of them broke at the clip.at idle it was together giving me sprk on both cylinders.once you gave it any throttle it would open up killing any spark. i was fooled because of how good it ran on one cylinder.and im impresed with how good it runs with both.hope this helps .thanks everyone.Tony
 
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