Bayliner 175, Glastron 180?, or Maxum 1800MX

[KRS]

Re: Bayliner 175, Glastron 180?, or Maxum 1800MX

I never put much thought to the Used Boat idea... I have one of those and I got ROBBED (my own fault due to lack of knowledge).<br /><br />A 2 year old boat, hmmmmm {can you hear my brain cogs turning?}

 

[Stratocaster]

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It's a shame really. Bondo is knowledgable and helpful in many ways. But he doesn't know jack about Bayliners, although he seems to have made it his life's mission to spread misinformation about them. I think that in his limited exposure to Bayliners, he has seen some problems with a few of the small runabouts. He has then, I think, translated that "experience" into expertise on the entire Bayliner product line. I have owned two, and know tons of people with many, many more and know that what he says is BS.<br /><br />Take what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[maxxpower]

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I agree with stratocaster, Bondo may be helpful but he does prospective buyers a disservice by spewing his anti-Bayliner rhetoric. The Boat Test article in another recent thread also proves his theory about Bayliners not being as heavy as Glastrons, wrong!

 

[Northern Eclipse]

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I myself have never owned a Bayliner, but have looked at them, I don't think they would fold up under you, but tend to see alot of tough looking bayliners, I believe these boats tend to attract first time boaters/owners and get abused and neglected more so than more seasoned owners I also see alot of top brand boats looking mighty ugly, my point is many people either don't know of don't care that any boat requires a certain amount of tlc and maintence, if left undone for just a few years an owner can turn the finest vessel into a POS in short time. If you keep any boat well serviced, dry and clean and don't buy under powered you should be able to obtain a decent resale I tend to reason that there are far more low quality owners than boat out there. It is true the cheaper the boat new the lower the resale the trick is to keep the boat in top condition to obtain top resale for its brand and class. Entry level boats will suffer faster if abused or neglected due to lower quality vinyls and gelcoats and such, but the best boats would soon suffer also but will take a few years longer.. maybe.

 

[Stratocaster]

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Good points. I have always taken impeccable care of my boats, and this has no doubt helped resale. I see a lot of boats that are full-out neglected by their owners, and they cover the entire brand spectrum. Any boat will "rot and turn to dust" if its owner doesn't take care of it!<br /><br />Bayliner resale: Below is a pic of my last boat, a 1988 wide-beam 2655 sunbridge. This boat sold new in '88 for $32K. When I sold it last year, the broker listed it for $32K and it sold for $30K. It was surveyed by a qualified marine surveyor and there were no issues on the report that required a renegotiation of the price. Certainly nothing about its integrity or quality! I'd say it held its value just fine for a 16 year old boat. The boat sat in the broker's marina for only a month last March and it was sold to the first person to look at it.<br />

 

[KRS]

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Wow, nice boat strato.<br /><br />Received my Stingray brochure today, nice looking boats.<br /><br />Received Tahoe brochure, they look good too. Anyone have input on Tahoe Q4?<br /><br />{the post that just won't die}

 

[KRS]

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Found tons of stuff on tahoe too.... just did a search

 

[KCook]

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Unfortunately not a lot of Stingrays in AZ. The Ski & Fish version of the Tahoe Q4 would fit into Patagonia nicely. But I still think the Bayliner 185 is a better boat.<br /><br />Kelly

 

[DJ]

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My $.02 worth.<br /><br />Bayliners-nothing wrong with them.<br /><br />Unfortunately, perception (real or percieved)<br />IS reality. The Bayliner has a MUCH lower resale value, if you can even get someone to look at it, come resale time.<br /><br />With that said, follow Kelly's advice. Get the bigger boat with the bigger engine. Go used, if you have to. I'll bet the dealer selling the Bayliner has a trade in, or two, that he will warrant.<br /><br />A far as drives go. If you know what you're doing, the Merc and Volvo are both fine. The Volvo is MUCH smoother (not happening in a Bayliner though). The Merc. offers a wider service network, yet the Volvo offers a better warranty. Tough choice. My vote, goes Volvo.<br /><br />As a last note, get the biggest engine, you can afford, in the size hull you want.<br /><br />You'll thank yourself, come resale time.

 

[ziemann]

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DJ said it perfectly. There is definately a stigma about Bayliners for many people. I have no practical experience myself on their quality, but there does seem to be a stigma about them that will eliminate many future second hand buyers. They may very well be built well- and hold up and be well worth the money, but even if it is an undeserved reputation, many people will shy away from it when it comes time to sell it. Unfortunately for Bayliner, this perception is a problem for them- whether it is deserved or not.

 

[Stratocaster]

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What you say may be true, in your area. That's sure not the case in the Pacific NW, where every 2nd boat is a Bayliner. I also have a friend in Whittier, Alaska and he tells me the Bayliner 2859 is one of the most popular fishing boats in his area (Prince William Sound). I'm sure this will surprise some people.<br /><br />I remember when I was a kid, Volkswagen had the same rep, for making crappy, cheap cars, but you sure saw a lot of them on the road. Amazingly, now VW is a respected brand and the old bugs are collector's items

 

[KCook]

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Wut Mike said. The Bayliner bashing swings wildly, according to who your are talking too. Kinda like whether you believe in UFOs. <br /><br />Kelly

 

[Bondo]

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I remember when I was a kid, Volkswagen had the same rep, for making crappy, cheap cars, but you sure saw a lot of them on the road. Amazingly, now VW is a respected brand and the old bugs are collector's items

That Maybe True...........<br />But,...<br />I'm Not going to Hold My Breath waiting for Bilgeliners to do the same thing............ <br /><br />I've Crawled thru,+ Worked on Bilgeliners from the 70s to present,+ Well,..... You Already Know how I Feel.............<br /><br />If Any of you fellas have bayliners,+ are Happy...........<br />That's All that Matters.................<br /><br />That Doesn't mean I'm going to Stop telling Prospective Buyers that they're a Quality Boat.......<br />'Cause Their NOT........

 

[KCook]

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Fair enough Bondo. But does this apply only to Bayliner? Or all bargain basement boats? Glastron SX? Tahoe? (etc)<br /><br />Kelly

 

[Stratocaster]

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And Bondo, does this apply to all model years of all models of all Bayliners or just certain years of the smaller ones? Do you have personal experience, for instance, of crawling through the bilges of a new 30 footer or even a mid-80s 45 footer? Judging by your previous comments, I would say not. Taking my own quote from a previous post:<br />

I think that in his limited exposure to Bayliners, he has seen some problems with a few of the small runabouts. He has then, I think, translated that "experience" into expertise on the entire Bayliner product line.

 

[Bondo]

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Kelly, It's All been said before..... it's in the archives......<br />I'm talking about Bilgeliners.......<br /><br />Mike, I'm Not a Marine Tech.... I just like to crawl around on boats,... <br />I've seen Alot of Bilgeliners from about 28' on down to the Super Duper Capri's......<br />I've Never had the thought strike me that I was looking at a Well Built Boat..........That's how I formed My Opinion ...........<br /><br /><br />You've got a Beautiful Boat ...... Enjoy It ..... You don't have to defend the manufacturer.....<br />You've got a Nice piece of the Upper-end of what they offer............. Enjoy It ........<br /><br />I'm Still Not going to recommend to a new potential buyer that the Bottom-line entry Is a Good Boat..........<br /><br />Chevy made the Impala........ They also built the Nova...... World of Difference There Too.......

 

[Stratocaster]

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OK, now I think I'm beginning to understand. You take issue with the smaller Capri-style boats. Could you at least in the future, specify this? I think many people respect your experience and opinion, but to vilify an entire brand based on this is unfair to a prospective buyer and reduces your credibility to people who know better.<br /><br />I personally have no first-hand knowledge of how the small Bays are built. But I have plenty of knowledge of how a 26 and 30 foot sunbridge or a 37 and 39 foot flybridge are built. That's the experience I base my comments on.<br /><br />So enough about Bayliners....they are only one of the brands the original poster asked about.

 

[Yacht Dr.]

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I know im a little late getting into this..but here it goes..<br /><br />Bayliner,Maxum and all your other low/high cost boats are as such.....<br /><br />1.boat shows are the cream of the cropsides from manufactures..you will hardly get the same finished boat you buy from a boat show unless you live near the plant and see the boat being finished step bye step to out the door.<br />2.As with ALL boats..Sea Ray etc. every ..and I mean EVERY boat is build different..depends: what day the boat was laminated and WHO actually built the boat ( If the guy and crew who laminated your boat had a long night out dancing and drinking then..or..did he get a good nights rest thinking about what he had to do the next day ? (IE making YOUR boat) <br />same thing goes right down to rigging..wireing..finishing..is the QC there ? is it a rush to get the products out ? If your experienced in Plantwork then you know what im talking about..<br /><br />Ive repaired ALOT of boats..ive seen good in bad..ive seen bad in good..<br /><br />If it were me..and it isnt me..Id buy a better quality boat ( respect to its name ) in slight repair and make it your dream boat..remember..its your eyes and feel for yourself..and your pocketbook..<br /><br />GL YD.

 

[down_time_1]

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I've got a Taho Q3 ski& fish and it's got little problems as any boat will. But i did not spend big bucks as it is a less exspensive boat. But it is powered to the max and to get off the water or to ski 60 mph is fast enough. Just my two cents worth.<br /> DT1

 

[peevuto]

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Good Luck on getting an unbiased opinion. I went through a similar exercise as a first time boat buyer looking for some un biased feedback. In the end, I had to look on other sites like boattest.com and other places for info.<br /><br />In the end, I did purchase the 2004 175 Bayliner with the XT package (free upgrade!). boattest.com had a great review on the boat, and some guy on another site took it to open sea and was very impressed.<br /><br />My experience after lots of use last year was that it was an excellent value. Like a newbie, I banged the factory prop against a rock and even though it was still usable, I used that as an excuse to upgrade the prop to a 19 pitch high perf stainless prop and wow! it was like getting a new boat. The hole-shot and handling is awesome. I wouldn't get the 185 with a 3.0L, your perf is going to be brutal, and its way to much for the little extra you get.