How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

mrtool2u

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I found a project boat for my nephew's,which has what I believe to be a 1973 Rude 50 hp with the elec shift.It has sat for a few years.How bad are these motor's.Between my brother and I,we can figure out about any electrical problem.What do we need to look for before we light it up.I plan on tearing down the carbs,gear oil,,possibly some lube in cylinders,any thing else to look out for on these motors.The boat is free,so I guess we cant go wrong.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

If I had a 50hp that was "Rude", I'd smack it silly!<br /><br />OMC did not manufactuer a electric shift engine in 1973. What is the model number of the engine?
 

ledgefinder

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

I'm guessing it's a 1971 (model 50173). They're decent, better for salt than the Merc50s due to better corrosion control. <br /><br />You need to prop it so it spins easy - those motors don't have a lot of low end torque (highly-tuned). Should hit 5500-6000 with a light load. <br /><br />Don't run it even for a couple seconds without flushmuffs, or the motor in the water several inches above the cavitation plate. Check the impeller. Carbs are easy to clean on those. The lower unit takes OMC "Premium Blend" which is special for electric shift lower units.
 

OBJ

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

Mrtool....get a manual. There neat to have around and also have wiring diagrams in them. :)
 

mrtool2u

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

Joe,I will get model numbers today,let ya know tonight,,the boat was a 73 so I assumed the motor was also.
 

captain spike

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

just my input........have a 1969 115 jonny runs great no problems with the lower unit just make sure you use a type "c" lower unit oil,i like the old motor other than she is a very thirsty girl!!.get a manual like obj says(not a clymer!)they pay for themselves first time you open it!its a boaters bible....
 

Dhadley

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

Just remember -- its not a straight electric shift. Its hydro-electric and totally different. You must keep that in mind when working on and/or troubleshooting them and when looking for shift control switches.<br /><br />Good luck!
 

phatmanmike

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

i have a 1972 evinrude hydro electric shift 50hp... motor itself runs excellent, about as simple as a motor can get. but i am having problems( see other posts) with my lower unit, sumthing got chewed up inside, i have sparkly lower unit oil:)<br /><br />but that is from the previous owners not taking care and maintence...<br /><br />i feel that the only drawback they have is parts are no longer manufactured.. ebay seems the only main option.. all parts must be purchased used
 

Jack Shellac

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

The electric shifts were originally designed so that if the shifter failed, it would default to forward gear. Made sense, since you could then get home with it. At some point, the safety nuts got into it and they were redesigned so that they would fail to neutral. I don't know exactly what year this was, but maybe some of the other guys do. Something to keep in mind. I had a 1960's something 65HP which was a very good motor, as I recall. No trouble with any part of it.
 

mrtool2u

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

Ledgefinder,you hit the nail on the head,,the model number is 50173s,,,or it might be a 5 instead of s,not sure.Can you still find the lower gear oil at Johnny?Rude dealers.Hey Dhadley,,how does the hydro shift work on these.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

1971 50hp Hydro Electric shift model.<br /><br />(Hydro Electric Shift)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /><br />The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.<br /> <br />You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Preminum Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube) <br /><br />In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire. <br />In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one. <br />In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear) <br /><br />To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed. <br /><br />This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).<br /> <br />With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.
 

ledgefinder

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

Hydroelectric 50hp lower unit just went unsold on eBay for $10. eBay member name was yousave1. (Not me.) They're definitely not as hard to find or expensive as the V4 units. I picked up a good used one this year for $30.
 

phatmanmike

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Re: How unreliable are electric shift Rude's

thank you thank you thank you thank you.. did i say thank you, ledge finder?
 
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