Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

jcanker

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1989 90HP Evinrude V4 VRO<br /><br />Last year I had my water pump replaced, timing checked/adjusted, linkage set, and carbs rebuilt. The mechanic put in Champion QL78YC plugs, which are standard arm-gap plugs. My manual lists Champion UL77V, a surface gap plug, as the correct plug. I had been using the UL77V for the 4 years that I've owned this engine with no problems.<br /><br />When I got the boat back, it ran great--for the first two hours. Once I put some load in it (three people and some camping gear), it cut out and compression on the #3 cyl was less than half the others (yes, I carry a compression gauge in my toolkit). After I limped it back to the dock and got it out of the water, I pulled the head and found fused metal shavings all over the top of the piston.<br /><br />After letting it sit over the winter due to time constraints, I now have it rebuilt and running on UL77Vs again. But when I went to a different marina to pick up plugs, they had the NGK equivilant to the QL78YC listed in their books as the right plug.<br /><br /><br />Which is the correct plug for this engine? Could bringing the spark closer to the piston head have caused the dentonation that melted the piston?<br /><br />One additional symptom--the boat idled at 1100-1200 rmp, which seems high to me. Isn't it supposed to be around 850? Could the carbs have been set wrong? :confused:
 

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Re: Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

You should be running QL77JC4 or QL82C, with the latter be a little hotter.... The QL78YC'should not have damaged the engine... Although the "Y" denotes a protruding nose. If it was hitting the piston or too close to the piston, then there is that possibility..
 

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Re: Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

The QL78Yc's are a long reach plug and a tad warmer than what we like to see. That moves the ignition point closer to the piston and further out of the combustion chamber. Not good. The piston may have hit the plugs depending on what heads youre running.<br /><br />KGB's ......I mean NGK's are not recommended.<br /><br />What was the timing set to and by what method? Was the shop a Merc shop?
 

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Re: Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

Thanks for the quick answers, everyone.<br /><br />Dhadley, the mechanic was a "garage shop" that was recommended to me by a local marina that said they wouldn't be able to get to my boat for almost 3 months. I don't know what he set the timing to, but I know that the airflow cover has a label that says that TDC is 28 degrees. I haven't checked it with my own timing light, but then again, I was having trouble setting the timing myself, which is why I wanted someone to look at it.<br /><br />Here's a little history: The engine always ran rough in idle and would stall out if idling for more than a few minutes once it warmed up. During the middle of the season last year, it started hesitating or dying out once you gave it throttle (like pulling up a slalom skier, for instance). Using my manual, I tried to check the timing and linkage with the boat on the trailer but in the water at a little-used launch ramp near my house. The problem didn't go away, and a week later my tell-tale started running weak, so I figured that since I needed to have the water pump replaced, I might as well have someone look over the linkage and timing. When I brought it to the mechanic, he asked when the last time the carbs were rebuilt. I had bought the engine used in 1998, rebuilt it in 2000 (wrist pin retaining ring gave way and the pin scored the chamber something fierce) but had not rebuilt the carbs with a kit during that rebuild; I had only replaced the gaskets. He suggested that I have the carbs rebuilt while he was doing everything else, and I gave him the go-ahead on that. He pulled a plug, noticed that it was the surface-gap plug that my manual said was the right one for "sustained, high rpm use" and said that he had a different Champion plug that he used for these engines that would give me a little better performance. I told him to go ahead and swap the plugs.<br /><br />When I got the boat back, it started right up, idled strong (albeit at 1100-1200 rmp instead of the 850 that it did before) and didn't hesitate at all when dropping down the throttle. I tested it out for a little over an hour, and pulled it from the water, satisfied that my camping weekend was saved.<br /><br />Three days later, we took it down to the Illinois River, loaded in our camping gear, and about 5 min down river, I opened up the throttle, and it climbed up to 4300 RPM, then puttered out to about 2000 for a minute, then died completely. As I put in my earlier post, I checked compression on the river, found that #3 was shot, and limped it back to the dock by holding the carbs open as my friend steered.<br /><br />2 bores at .020 over and a gasket kit later, it's back up and running with the surface-gap plugs, but still idling at 1200.
 

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Re: Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

The idle needs to come down or you'll be learning about gears next. I'm kinda surprised it comes out of gear easily.
 

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Re: Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

That's my next question--should I adjust the idle by adjusting the timing screw, or does it have something to do with that small screw that goes directly into the block (right about dead center vertically)on the starboard side?
 

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Re: Dentonation / spark plug choice Evinrude 1989 90HP VRO

Not the timing screw, the idle speed screw.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 
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