Overpropping...is it all bad???

mccamli

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I think I may have an overpropped engine. Assuming I have, is it all bad news.<br /><br />I assume that at WOT the engine is probably over worked but I live in Western Australia on the coast and the thermal winds seldom give you the opportunity to go WOT.<br /><br />At lower RPM is the bigger prop just more efficient...more thrust for a given RPM (I have a 4 blade stainless prop) or is it still overloading the engine.<br /><br />Assuming it's all bad, how do I find out which prop is right for the engine/boat combination without having to fork out big bucks?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Ian
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Overpropped is overpropped across the range. It's most destructive at WOT, but at all RPM's the engine is being overworked. <br /><br />Find what your optimal WOT should be (tell us the engine and we'll tell you if you don't have a manual) and going from the prop you have now and your current WOT rpm you can make a good guess as to what prop you will need to get into the right range.
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Also ask the mods to combine both posts or close the other one. Just to make it easy on us slow guys...<br /><br />We may not need another prop just yet. While your gathering up the info for Steve it would also help to know, is your motor mounted all the way down now? Is it bolted to the transom or on a bracket?
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

From another post, asking similar question. Same author. Combined by Mod1.<br /><br />antiga <br />Cadet <br />Member # 51320 <br /><br /> posted November 22, 2004 05:11 PM <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />I've got an '02 150HP Johnson matched to a four blade stainless steel prop (not sure about it's dimensions).<br /><br />At WOT the engine sits at about 5,200 RPM. Does that seem a bit low and if so, is it likely that I'm overpropped?
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Steve and Dhadley,<br /><br />The recommended WOT range is 4500 to 5500. (I get about 5200) The propeller is a Stainless Renegade Offshore 4 blade 14.5 * 17 pitch. The engine is bolted through the transom and seems to have the ability to go about 3/4 inch higher or 1 1/2 inches lower.<br /><br />Cheers
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Question Dhadley. I have an '02, carbed 150 Johnson and the book says 4500 to 5500 operating range. Are you saying 6000 is the correct WOT?
 

mccamli

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Yes, it's the 60 degree one.<br /><br />Assuming it needs to go higher than the last hole will allow, what's the best way to achieve that (I'm new to this game so dumb down the explanation...I'm also Irish!!!)<br /><br />If you have time to explain, what are the advantages/disadvantages of raising/lowering the motor.<br /><br />Cheers
 

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The first thing I'd try is raising that motor the last hole. Now this is assuming its a carb'd 60 degree 150, but if so you want that motor set up at as close to 6000 as possible. Thats a real decent prop but to take advantage of the technology that's in it (what you paid for) the motor may have to go higher than that.
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

dumb down the explanation...I'm also Irish!!!)
I know you are just kidding, but please refrain from slandering an entire ethnicity, or I will have to beat you about the head and shoulders with a Maureen O'Hara video tape. "The Quiet Man" seems to be the one to use.<br /><br />Mark
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Mr. L - On a 60 degree V6 it will live much longer, and be happier, at or near 6000 than 5500. Depending on which pack you have the rev limiter is at either 6200 or 6700. My 60 degree motors are set up as close to 6200 as I can get them.<br /><br />Antiga - If it needs to go higher we usually add a jackplate between the motor and transom. Either manual or hydraulic. The jackplate sets the motor back some which helps with the center of gravity or lift points. It also allows the motor to be raised higher than conventional mounting. <br /><br />The advantage of a higher mounting is less drag. That equates to better efficiency which means less slip %. That means better fuel economy, longer life, better top end and better holeshot.<br /><br />In a perfect world if we could hide the gearcase completely behind the transom we'd have as little drag as possible. Unfortunately we still have to deal with water pick up and prop bite. <br /><br />One of the reasons that prop is so good is the large diameter. A large diameter prop will run higher (a greater X dimension) and a 4 blade will generally run higher than a 3 blade.<br /><br />Another advantage is that with a manual plate you can raise or lower the motor easily without removing the motor. A couple of wrenches and a few minutes and its moved. Of course with a hydraulic plate you simply push the button (personal favorite).<br /><br />The downside of raising the motor is we may run into steering cable lengths, water pick up and prop bite issues. <br /><br />If the boat has hydraulic steering most hoses are long enough to allow the 5" setback (or whatever setback you use). Sometimes with cable steering we have to go to a longer cable.<br /><br />It is possible to go high enough to get the water pick ups out of the water and the motor will suck air. Thats pretty high but possible. Then we go to scoops or low water pick ups or transom pick ups etc. I dont think we'll get to that point with a Renegade, close though.<br /><br />The other is prop bite. With a jackplate it is possible to raise the motor so high the prop will not bite. With a Renegade it'd have to be pretty high. Another issue we wont be dealing with, I'm sure.
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

No offense intended...and I'd like to think we are of a nationality that would find the humor in it...<br /><br />I'll refrain from kidding in future.<br /><br />Ian B.Eng (Hons) ACMA (Just to prove I was kidding) ;) <br /><br />I'd still like the dumbed down version though... :rolleyes:
 

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Whats On Tap. No wait -- thats not right...<br /><br />Wide Open Throttle. Yep, thats it. Got hobbys mixed up....
 

mccamli

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Thanks Dhadley<br /><br />I'll try lifting it to the top first and see how it goes. I'll investigate the jackplate anyway. Unfortunately the steering is not hydraulic so I'll keep an eye out for cable restrictions too.<br /><br />I'm not sure whether I'm looking forward to playing with it or peeved that I need to...It would be nice to get it just right though!<br /><br />It will probably take me some time to try things out (parents in law have just arrived for a 5 week stint) but I'll let you know how it goes.<br /><br />Cheers
 

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Re: Overpropping...is it all bad???

Actually I think playing with the set up is kinda fun. Its amazing what you discover about any given hull. <br /><br />Good luck...with the boat and the in-laws!
 
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