87 15h rude starting problem

imported_Warren

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Well....For some reason my outboard has been hard to start....I have to pull the choke...Start it and push the choke back in real quick and give it gas to keep it running....<br /><br /> After it starts it runs like a champ but hesitates while taking off sometime, I have to back off and let it idle to catch up then I can gas it.....<br /><br /> Went into the local outboard shop to get myself another carb re-build kit and the mechanic said it wasen't the carb, it was a timing issue and that he could have it fixed in 2 hours ($80 an hour) + Parts.......<br /><br /> Not even close to being able to afford that......Any tips or Suggestions?????<br /><br /> How do you adjust the timing on this thing????<br /><br /> Thanks in advance......Warren
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Warren,<br /><br />If your mechanic knows your engine well and has previously worked on it, then I take back the following:<br /><br />He's got second sight if he can diagnose 'a timing issue' on these engines without even geting down to a proper diagnosis!<br /><br />It is possible for the sensor wire or ignition coil wire to be wrongly fitted on the four-wire connector between the armature plate and the power pack, and this will cause much popping and banging! But if you haven't taken these apart since you last ran the motor - save 80 bucks,forget timing and go for other issues.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

hello<br /> try pumping the primer bulb while taking off. sounds like its running the fuel bowl dry. go through the carb again. I reccomend replaceing the fuel pump instead of attempting to rebuild them, that little square pump is a booger to reassemble if you have no experience:) :) . most the time the secondary spring gets layed over and cuts ther new dia. the timing on that engine is mechanically attached to the throttle. unless something broke it wont change from the day it leaves the factory till the day it overheats or runs lean and dies.<br /> so I tend to agree with stillfishing.<br /> I have seen the trigger wires break inside the insulation at the stator plate. this can cause spark to go away on one cyl at certain stator angles. its easy to find with a cd-77 meter. a bit more so with a ohm meter.<br />good luck but, your describing a fuel issue not a timing issue.
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Warren, a few further thoughts ...<br /><br />Analyse what you’ve got:<br /><br />1. The motor runs fine once you get it going. That suggests the timing’s OK or it wouldn’t ever <br />run well.<br /><br />2. The fact that it runs as you describe suggests (although not conclusively) that the electrics also work, because a usable spark is produced, whether the engines’s cold or hot.<br /><br />3. That leaves fuel as the most likely culprit. So Check all aspects of the fuel delivery. Start with <br />the tank, then the bulb, then the lines to the pump (including filter if you’ve fitted one), then check the pump operation, then the carb. <br /><br />Use this sequence:<br /><br />Disconnect fuel-line from engine at quick-connector, push a paper-clip in the end of the line (to keep the line valve open), and prime with bulb. Fuel coming out OK? Reconnect. No fuel? The problem’s in the line or bulb from tank to engine.<br /><br />Then pull the line off just before the pump and squeeze bulb again. Fuel OK? Reconnect line and move on.<br /><br />Disconnect line at carburettor, and turn engine over (pull-start or electric - makes no difference). Fuel should pour out. If it does, the carburettor needs work. If it doesn’t, the pump needs work.<br /><br />Check for leaks at every joint by smothering each joint with grease, then run engine if you can, and remove the grease joint by joint. If the motor then runs badly (or stops) you’ve found a leak.<br /><br />If none of the above makes any difference, either the components (especially the carb) are still not <br />clean and clear enough, or we’re back to the electrics.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br /><br />Ciao
 

imported_Warren

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Hmmmmm....Thanks for the reply's....<br /><br /> I re-built the carb myself about 20 hours ago and installed a new fuel pump at the same time.....<br /><br /> I took my time doing the carb and am pretty sure I did it right but its an easy job so i'll get another kit and do it again on Monday......<br /><br /> One problem I have been having the whole time i've owned this boat is the fuel bulb never gets firm.....I can get it started fine but I can pump it all day and it never changes...Already went through 6 bulbs 2 diff manufactures and 3 tanks with the same results.....After wasting all that $$$ I decided to just leave it.....Any suggestions on that problem????????
 

steviecops

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Maybe when you rebuilt the carb, you didn't set the float level right and it's flooding. Could explain the starting difficulty and the hesitation as you accelerate. Could also explain why the bulb never gets hard. Once you are up and running, it's burning the fuel as it enters the chamber, so you won't notice the problem as much.<br /><br />I'm no expert, but these are just my thoughts.<br /><br />Good luck.<br />Steve
 

lark2004

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

also be 100% sure that everything is clean while re-assembling your carb, especially the needle and seat. Something as small as a stray hair will cause it to leak.
 

umblecumbuz

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Warren,<br /><br />If you're certain that there are no leaks in the fuel lines, and that the (newish) bulb you're using now is functioning OK without letting fuel back into the tank, then how about this:<br /><br />The fuel you pump with the primer has to be going somewhere. If you can't find any leaks around the motor when you're pumping the primer, either excess fuel is going THROUGH the carburettor, or it's weeping through or around the pump diaphragm into the crankcase.<br /><br />The poor running symptoms you mentioned in your first post, together with the soft bulb, initially suggest that the pump is leaking internally, but if you've installed a new pump correctly, then this indicates that the carb is probably still the culprit.<br /><br />Needle valves can look clean and well-shaped, but the shape doesn't just have to look good - it has to have the right contours. So has the seat. Pull the line off the outlet side of the pump and try blowing down it with the carb primed. If you can blow, you've got a bad needle valve or wrong float level.<br /><br />After doing that, a beer never tasted so good!<br /><br />Ciao
 

imported_Warren

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Thanks for the reply's.....Carb Re-Build project is on Mon....I'll keep you guy's posted.....Warren
 

OBJ

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Warren....how far out do you have the low speed needle backed out? And which carb is on the engine....either early production rounded top carb or late production "flat" top.
 

imported_Warren

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Re: 87 15h rude starting problem

Well Guy's.....Finally got it figured out....It ended up being a linkage issue....Not sure how it happened but I guess my carb linkage slipped and threw off my settings....<br /><br /> $80 at the shop and i'm back in business, starts on the first pull again......<br /><br /> You guy's had it from the little info that I listed here....Never doubted you but you gotta think the worst when it comes to your boat right?......Warren<br /><br /> P.S...They checked my compression while I was there and its getting 140 in both cylinders.....
 
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