1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

bruoff

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I just bought this motor. Checked the compression, 130# both cylinders. Cleaned the carbs, (weren;t bad). <br /><br />Motor starts and idles fine. When first given throttlr it planed very nicely. Then showed it's true colors,<br /><br />Began to behave as though on of the cylinders was losing spark and thus not picking up speed. Seemed as though the motor fired on about every third revolution. Returnibg to idle the motor ran fine, but the same symptoms each time I dropped the hammer.<br /><br />The previous owner had plugged the VRO. Are there a series of electrical connections that must be removed to allow this motor to run on premix. (I removed the oil tank and the wiring harness from under the shroud. I noticed the fuel pump has wires running from it to the engine harness. Is there another sensor that must be bypassed?<br /><br />Thanks in advance to you Johnrude guys!! p,s, I have a factory manual and video coming.
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Does the warning horn beep when you initially turn the key to the run (not start) position. If it doesn't, the warning system is not functioning and the motor may be overheating and going into SLOW mode which limits the engine to about 2500 rpm. A shake and shudder is definitely noticeable. Check for spark on each cylinder. When the engine begins to act up, squeeze the primer bulb to see if it picks up. If that doesn't help, push in on the key (activates the choke/primer). If either of those helps, you have a fuel delivery problem such as an air leak, restriction, carbs, fuel pump, to name a few.
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

No horn what so ever. The motor is not even warm to the touch, but it could be a heat sensor??
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Certainly could be a bad overheat sensor which may be why the previous owner disconnected or disabled the warning system. If bad, it could be falsely setting the SLOW mode. Temporarily disconnect the tan wire from the temp sensor on the cylinder head. If the engine now functions normally, the sensor is bad. If you have an ohm meter you can check the sensor. If the meter shows continuity (sensor to ground), the sensor is closed signifying a hot condition. It should show open except during an overheat condition. There is also an outside chance the tan temp sensor wire is shorted to ground somewhere along its path.
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Thanks guys, I'll try these fixes tomprrow after the neighbors go to work. I'll post findings tomorrow!
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

I've got to quit typing in the dark. This Mac keyboard feels just enough different to cause me to hit the wrong keys.<br /><br />Sorry, I'll edit better. Thanks again!!
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

cuzz, the wires from the vro are only low or no oil warning...hope you added oil to your fuel..vro works from vacuum from crankcase pressure...no electronics...empty your fuel tank on some brush you want to burn..."water in gas" maybe...go with fresh mixture...g luck...hell, might be somethin' else
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Welll---I just fired it up again. Same problem (with the heat sensor disconnected). I tried pushing the choke and pumping the gas line bulb. No difference! The gas is new and properly mixed with TCWIII. It appears to be an electrical or electronic issue. In the past I have disconnected the main wiring harness and jumped the solenoid to check around all wiring except the motor. Can I do this on this late a model of Evinrude? Guys, I'm stumpted. I'm sure you wise hands can help please!!!!!!!!
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Did you ever check the spark like upinsmoke advised?
 

bruoff

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Yes I just rechecked it. Starts and idles fine. Raise the RPM with the warm-up lever and the intermittant BAM BAM BAM firing occurs. Remove either of the plug wires and the motor returns to a rythmic sound, (Running on one cylinder).<br /><br />As before; Stumped!!
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Your power pack contains the actual SLOW system. Could be your pack ahs failed.
 

bruoff

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

I have a manual ordered, but naturally am in a hurry. Does anyone have the test specs for this power pack. It may take meters that I don't have.<br />I have both digital and analog VOM's.<br /><br />Thanx Again
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Anyone else have an idea on this beautiful Mother's Day? If I take the power pack to an OMC tech, can it be tested?<br /><br />Ideas please.
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

I believe that they can. Will cost you for diagnostic time which is only fair.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

The 1998 50hp Evinrude was manufactured a few years after I retired. However, in reply to your email request.......<br /><br />Remove the spark plugs and double check the compression. While doing so, check closely for water traces on the spark plugs which might actually be water or what appears to be very small round objects more or less welded to the electrodes and porcelain.<br /><br />Are the spark plugs the correct plugs, and are they gapped properly?<br /><br />With the s/plugs still removed, rig up a spark tester whereas you can set a 7/16" gap.<br /><br />At the starter solenoid, use a jumper arrangement to connect from the battery side of the starter solenoid to the 3/8" nut that engages the solenoid (not the 3/8" ground nut). A automotive push button type jumper is prefered for safety, but even a small jumper wire will suffice.<br /><br />Have the ignition key in the ON position and crank the engine via the jumper arrangement. The spark should jump that 7/16" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame.... a real SNAP!<br /><br />Disconnect the throttle cable from the engine so that you can move the throttle linkage at the engine by hand from the idle position to full throttle/full spark advance position.<br /><br />Crank the engine and while slowly moving the throttle linkage from idle to full throttle, observe the spark. It should stay exactly the same..... strong blue etc etc. If moving the throttle affects the quality of the spark, that should lead you in the area of the problem.<br /><br />If when checking the spark,even at a idle, you find that it is weak, erratic, orange looking, disconnect the large RED electrical connector at the engine, then check the spark again. If you now have good spark, the problem is usually a intermitenmt shorting ignition switch, in which case, replace the switch.<br /><br />If originally the spark was weak, and even disconnecting the large RED electrical plug resulted in no improvement, the most logical suspected component would be the stator/charge coil assy (under the flywheel) that provides approximately 300 AC volts (beginning of the ignition system) to the powerpack. If that stator/charge coil is failing, melting down, whatever, then obviously there is no way that the ignition can perform normally.<br /><br />Keep in mind that advice is helpful if it is followed. Jump over something as in the term "short cut" and the advice is useless. You may not fall into this catagory but it's something worth mentioning.<br /><br />Note.... If all is okay in the spark department, I'd suggest that you remove and double check the carburetors. Remove and manually clean all fixed jets, run solid wire thru all passageways/tubes etc. If the slow speed jet is adjustable, the following may be of some interest.<br /><br />(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /><br />Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.<br /> <br />Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.<br /> <br />Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting. <br /> <br />Note: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.<br /><br />When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.<br /><br />So..... What are you going to do with the rest of the day?
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Thanks Joe, I'll follow your instructions in the order that you have indicated. There is no big red plug. There is a series of three connectors enclosed in a black plastic cover that appear to perform the same function. I'll post my results!<br />Thanks again for going out of your way!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Dang Joe, now that is what I call one heckuva quality post! It's a good thing that you have "retired" so you have time to be that good and thorough. Thanks for being here.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

Fireman.... Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. However, being retired does have its disadvantages as I cannot keep up with the mechanical and electronic aspects of the later model engines. An example being the lack of the large RED electrical plug at the engine in this case.... but I suppose that it does result in having one with problems look in the proper direction.
 

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Re: 1998 Evinrude 50 SP "Runability Problem"

I have the same problem with cars/trucks built after 1998.
 
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