starter problems

tobyice1980

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i have a 1976 115 hp evinrude outboard and am having trouble with the starter. the motor wouldnt hardly crank so i removed the sparkplugs and the motor cranked good. so i checked voltages and found 13 at the solenoid and only 4.7 going to the starter. but when i did a voltage drop test it was .3 or less on 4 differnt tests. i replaced the starter with a used one and it does the same thing .......please help!!!
 

bubbakat

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Re: starter problems

Looks to me like if you don't have but 4.7 volts going to the starter from the solenoid it would be the solenoid fault not starter.<br />I would clean all terminals and have my battery checked to see if it was holding good voltage when under a load.
 

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Re: starter problems

There's a big difference in starter motor turning effort for a motor with and without spark plugs. So even a poor starting system will turn over a motor without plugs.<br /><br />It's a bit hard to follow your voltage measurements. Are you saying that you measured 13V at the battery side of the solenoid and 4.7V at the starter motor terminal but only 0.3V across the solenoid? If that was the case you would be dropping 8V in the cable between the solenoid & the starter motor which suggests a bad connection & a lot of heat somewhere!<br /><br />Looks like you have either a bad solenoid or a bad cable or connection somewhere. Measuring from a good earth or perferably directly from the battery -ve terminal, work through the system and measure the voltage at each point in the circuit while cranking the motor under load: battery +, solenoid battery side, solenoid starter motor side, starter motor +ve terminal and starter motor case. The difference between these measurements will tell you where the volts are being dropped.<br /><br />You need more than about 9.5V directly across the starter motor for it to operate correctly. Any bad connections will also be getting hot so that will give you a clue. Make sure your battery is in good shape. The battery voltage shouldn't drop too low when cranking.<br /><br />Check your earth connection on your starter motor also. If this is bad, you should read a voltage on the starter motor case.
 

Seasport

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Re: starter problems

Your charger will do nothing to help the battery under starting current. It will only supply a few amps. We're talking about 100A+ for starter motor current.
 

tobyice1980

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Re: starter problems

ok i just checked it again and had the negative hooked directly to the battery and while cranking i am only getting 6 volts at the end of the solenoid that connects toeach end of the cable: on the solenod and on the starter. then while i am not cranking on it, its at 12.8 where the battery hooks to the solenoid
 

Seasport

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Re: starter problems

Still can't quite follow you. The solenoid has two big wires going to it - one goes to the battery & the other goes to the starter motor. Are you saying that you get 6V on both sides of the solenoid?<br /><br />If you get 6V on the starter motor side and say 10V or more on the battery side, then the problem is the solenoid. If you are getting 6V on the battery side, the problem is either the battery (check the voltage at the battery terminal it shouldn't drop below about 10V) or the cable from the battery to the solenoid.<br /><br />When you are not cranking, there is no current flow and the voltage will not drop. This doesn't really tell you anything. You should be getting a hot connection or solenoid when cranking. That will tell you where the problem is. You need to check that your battery is not causing the problem. Check the voltage when cranking.
 

tobyice1980

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Re: starter problems

what i am saying is that the 6v is on the starter side of the solenoid while i am cranking. its at the starter side and at the starter. now before i crank its 13 on the battery side of the solenoid. now while i am cranking i am getting 6 to 7 on the battery side and its like that on each side of the solenoid until i stop cranking then the baterry side goes to like 12.8
 

tobyice1980

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Re: starter problems

before i crank on the battery side i am at 13 then while i am cranking all battery side of the solenoid and starter side are all like 6
 

Seasport

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Re: starter problems

Measure the voltage right on the battery terminal when you are cranking. If that is around 6V too, you have a bad (or seriously discharged) battery. If you have more like 10V at the battery and only 6V at the battery side of the solenoid then you have a bad cable between the battery & the solenoid or a bad connection in that cable. Have you taken the cables off (including the battery cable) and cleaned up the connections at each end? You should do this & make sure your battery is charged up.<br /><br />As I said, if you have a bad connection, it will be getting hot. (Assuming your battery has any life left in it!)<br /><br />You're getting closer.
 
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