95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

kloller

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I have a 95 Four Winns with a 95 115 HP Evinrude that failed about two weeks ago. Looks like I will need a rebuild. I pulled the heads and one side looks okay but on the other side one of the pistons is marred pretty bad and the cylinder walls are scored only at the top of each cylinder. Any idea what caused the Engine to fail ? What the best approach at the rebuild ? <br /><br />One other question. I would like a little more horsepopwer and raise the top end maybe 10 miles per hour. Can you put a 130 or 140 HP power head on a 115 HP out drive ? May be a dumb question but I don't know. First Outboard I have tore down. I have rebuilt many car engines.<br /><br /><br />Kloller :(
 

Dhadley

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

Welcome!!<br /><br />Is this a Turbo Jet by any chance? If its an outboard, which 1995 115 is it? A crossflow or a looper? The model number will reveal all.
 

kloller

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

I should have said Johnson not Evinrude. It is an Outboard. Model # J115TLREC. Is this what is called a bubble back ? Whats a looper ?
 

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

Are you sure that last letter is a "C" and not an "O"???
 

67johnson

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

What happen when the motor failed
 

kloller

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

I am pretty sure it was a "C". I will look again when I get home tonight.<br /><br />Engine failed running near WOT "90%" pulling two small kids on a tube. I had 3-4 adults in the boat also. Basically lost power and dided like you shut down the throttle back to idle. Would crank and run after this but any attempt to give it throttle and it would die. Luckily we were able to idle back to shore. We pulled all the plugs and one of them, lower right when facing the engine, from the rear had been malled up. Electrode was gone and had lots of metal on it.<br /><br />I did a manual "thumb" compression check and found this cylinder had basically no compression to speak of. All the other cyclinders seemed to be okay. After I pulled the heads both cylinders on the right side have scores at the top of each cylinder wall only. One piston looks pretty bad and the other one has a chunk missing out of the top edge of it.<br /><br />The left side of the engine looks fine with no cylinder wall scoring and the engine still rotates freely. <br /><br />I am just looking for the best approach at getting this fixed and want to know can I put a bigger power head on this outdrive ? <br /><br />More than likely I will do most of the work myself. Minus the machine work of course. I need a good source for parts and or a Power Head. I live in Allen,Texas.<br /><br />I have been told by the dealer that the VRO pump may have failed ?
 

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

First of all and most important -- find another dealer. Someone who is way more informed. Unless he can explain a couple of things --<br /><br />1- How'd a VRO pump get on that motor?<br />2- How'd any fuel/oil pump, VRO or OMS, pick on one cylinder and not the rest?<br /><br />I'd love to have that explained to me.<br /><br />To help figure out what happened we need a little background. First verify the model number like Kenny suggested. That way we're all on the same page (in the same book). <br /><br />We know the motor was under a tremendous strain when it finally gave up (tubing with a pretty good load). What was the top rpm with an average load and not towing a tube? When you tube do you change props or use one prop for everything?<br /><br />What spark plugs were in it at the time? Was the fuel fresh (less than 45 days old)? 87 octane?<br /><br />How close are you to Waxahachia?<br /><br />Lots of questions but take your time. Each one holds a clue as to preventing a repeat performance.
 

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

I will repost this evening after I confirm the model number again. I agree on the VRO. I would expect all cylinders to be scored.....<br /><br />Waxahachie is about 40 minutes from my house.
 

kloller

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

Model # J115TLREC. This is the model number it is a 94 not a 95 according to the Johnson website.<br /><br />1) Top RPM is around 5200 no load.<br /><br />2) I use same prop for everything, Stainless Steel, Stilleto. Prop has been on the boat for 3-4 years.<br /><br />3)Plug type is NGK's. Plug that is called for, I don't have the Plug number in front of me. This is the same plug type I have been running for about 5 years.<br /><br />4) Gas was Fresh. Boat gets used regularly. We had ran it most of the day on a Saturday and refilled the gas tank on Sunday. Yes 87 Octane.<br /> <br />5) Waxahachie 40 minutes drive.<br /><br />Kloller
 

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

Ok, good info.<br /><br />5200 is lugging the motor severly, especially with no load. As the load increases the top capable rpm will come down. This increases combustion heat even further. Excess combustion heat is the mortal enemy of 2 stroke motors. Your target rpm with an average load, for the longest engine life, is 5800. <br /><br />The Stiletto is a very good prop. Once we're running again we can probably change the set up to gain some rpm with the same prop. You still may want to think about another prop of less pitch for skiing. You need a spare anyway. We'll get back to the prop issue later.<br /><br />NGK's in an OMC is a big no-no. Champions only. It wont be the only cause of the piston scuffing but it contributes.<br /><br />Perfect choice on fuel. Make sure you use a good TCW III oil too (I'm sure you do).<br /><br />Tribble Machine is in Waxahachie. If you need a good machine shop and a very good engine builder, contact Paul at 972-617-6301. Great guy, very knowledgeable.<br /><br />I'd guess we had several things working towards this issue. The motor was lugging to start with which causes additional combustion temp. The NGK's contributed to more heat. The load from the tube and people caused the motor to work even harder. More combustion heat. <br /><br />If the water pump hasnt been changed in a while that may have contributed too. I'll almost bet the little deflectors in the water jackets have swelled causing some restriction in the water flow. That'll add more heat. <br /><br />Was it the starboard side that failed?<br /><br />As far as more hp, youre not getting all thats available from what you have. But to answer your question, no a 130 or 140 looper powerhead will not fit on that midsection. I think you'll be happy with it once its up and running and we work on the set up some.
 

kloller

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

Okay thanks for the info. I'll give Paul a ring and see whats up.<br /><br />Yes it was the starboard side of the engine that failed.
 

Dhadley

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Re: 95' 115 HP Evinrude failed need advice

Good deal. Tell him Dale said to call. <br /><br />Starboard side makes sense. It runs a tad bit hotter than the port side. Just a natural function of that design, nothing to worry about.
 
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