Motor chokes when thottled up

okcadman

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1978 Evinrude 70 HP (3 cyl); overhauled carborators, replaced spk-plugs, fuel pump, fuel lines and tank. Compression test: 105, 105 110. Starts and runs at idle ok, then chokes out when thottle is increased.
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Float level set correctly? Did you soak them in carb cleaner and blow out all passages and jets with compressed air? Did you do a link & sync after carbs were reinstalled? Was idle mixture properly set after reassembly. Mixture and idle speed adjustment needs to be made in the water -- not on muffs. What symptoms existed that caused you to think rebuilding the carbs was necessary?
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Are you saying that the three choke butterflies actually close, or that the engine simply dies out when throttle is applied?
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Originally posted by Upinsmoke:<br /> Float level set correctly? Did you soak them in carb cleaner and blow out all passages and jets with compressed air? Did you do a link & sync after carbs were reinstalled? Was idle mixture properly set after reassembly. Mixture and idle speed adjustment needs to be made in the water -- not on muffs. What symptoms existed that caused you to think rebuilding the carbs was necessary?
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Float level set correctly, did not soak in cleaner, did blow out passages. Did not find any external adjustments on carbs. Fuel mixture set. One more, thing, motor runs high speed on muff; chokes at high thottle in water only. Carbs rebuilt because I was attempting rebuild or replace anything connected w/ fuel system.
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

sound like you need to soak the carbs for 24 hours. then blow out. on muff there is no load on the motor and prop. don't run over 1500 on muffs.
 

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Sounds more like you are losing a cylinder or two under load, landlocked sailor. Check for air leaks in the fuel system including carb gaskets. If air gets in from a leaking manifold connection, the system can't pull the fuel mixture through properly no matter how clean the carbs are. <br /><br />Make sure all of the coil connections are clean and solid, especially grounds.<br /><br />Have you had the flywheel off?
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

As upinsmoke asked, did you do a link and synch? You need to do that or the carbs are not going to open correctly with the timing. Also as Joe asked, are the choke butterflies actually closing, or is it just stalling?
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

If you have no intention of answering a question, it's impossible to quote further. Stating the engine chokes out explains nothing.
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Let me try to explan more clearly: On the muffs engine seems to run fine, starting and full throttle. With the motor cover off the carb butterflys and linkage seem to operating correctly. At the lake, I start the motor OK, then (in gear) I increase throttle, that is when the motor acts like it is being choked. All I can relate to is pouring cleaner down carb throat of a car engine.
 

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You keep saying "the motor acts like it is being choked", but you don't say exactly what the engine is doing. Do the rpms drop down? Does the effect of being "choked" cause the rpms to increase? Does the engine act like it's going to die out?<br /><br />If you have 100+ psi compression on all cylinders and that reading is even or very close on all cylinders, and the spark (with the s/plugs removed) will jump a 7/16" gap with a strong blue lightning like flame... a real SNAP, check the following.<br /><br />With the engine not running, check the timer base under the flywheel. It should move smoothly from its idle position up to its full throttle full spark advance position (up against the rubber bumper advance stop). If it sticks at any point, correct that problem.<br /><br />Your carburetors may be fouled and restricted which would cause the engine to lean out at throttle is applied. If this is the case, the cure would be to remove, clean, and rebuild them.<br /><br />Possible the carburetors are starving for fuel which may be caused by a sticking Anti Siphon Valve. Check the following:<br /><br />(Fuel Anti Siphon Valve)<br />(J. Reeves)<br /> <br />Many of the later OMC V/6 engines incorporate a fuel restriction warning via a vaccum device attached to the powerhead. If the engine overheats, or if you have a fuel restriction, the warning is the same.... a steady constant beep.<br /> <br />NOTE... Only the V/6 & V/8 engines have the above "Fuel Restriction Warning". The warning horn will not sound on the other models. <br /> <br />The fact that a engine is not overheating, but the warning horn sounds off with a constant steady beep, and that the rpms drop drastically would indicate that the engine is starving for fuel due to a fuel restriction. Check the built in fuel tank where the rubber fuel line attaches to the tank fitting. That fitting is in all probability a "Anti Siphon" valve which is notorious for sticking in a semi closed position. It will be aluminum, about 2" long, and the insides of it will consist of a spring, a ball, and a ball seat. If this valve exists, remove it, knock out those inner components which will convert it to a straight through fitting, then re-install it. Hopefully that cures the problem.<br /> <br />The above procedure will cure a restriction problem with the anti siphon valve as stated. BUT, it may also allow fuel to drain backwards to the fuel tank when the engine is not running (siphoning backwards) due to the fact that the carburetors/fuel pump etc are higher than the fuel tank. This condition is not an absolute as the valves in the fuel primer bulb usually prevent this backwards siphoning problem. However.... if this does take place, the cure would be to install a new anti siphon valve.
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

When I stated "motor chokes out" I mean the RPMs drop and it acts like it out of fuel until I thottle back to approx. idle speed then motor smooths out and runs normal. If I did not thottle back the motor will stop. I will check the anti-siphon valve. Thanks
 

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Landlocked.... At last you've explained what the engine is doing. Assuming that the compression and spark are as they should be, you've just described a engine which has either a stuck timer base (under the flywheel), or carburetors that are fouled, gummed, and restricted.<br /><br />Timer base... Engine not running but in forward gear. Have someone slowly advance the throttle while you observe the timer base. It should move very smoothly from its idle position to the full spark advance position (up against the rubber bumper) without any hesitation. If it sticks, which would cause retarted spark, find out the cause of the sticking and correct it.<br /><br />If the timer base travels its distance as it should, consider it to be okay.... in which case the usual cause of a problem such as yours would be fouled carburetors.<br /><br />There is no quick spray in the carburetors solution... no short cuts. The cure is to remove, clean thoroughly, and rebuilt all of the carburetors. Be sure to also manually clean the fixed brass high speed jet which is located in the bottom center of the float chamber.
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Did you find the solution to the problem?
 

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Re: Motor chokes when thottled up

Captain Joe (member 6826) and others said for me to remove the carbs and soak in solution for 24 hours, then blow out with air. This what I did, I removed carbs, dis-assembled then soak in carb cleaner solution for 6 hours; then us hp air to blow out all orfices. Reassembled carbs then installed. Unable to test on lake until 5-28-06.<br />Unfortunately same results as before. When throttle up the engine rpms drops as if being choked. Note, strong smell of fuel when engine running opened-up, like it is getting too much fuel. One more, thing I noted small round inserts like small freeze plugs. Is there adjustment jets behind these plugs that I need to adjust?<br />Thanks, alternative email: sailor1207@yahoo.com
 
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