oil pump drive

scouse1

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I have a 2000 xr6 150 horse, the oil pump drive went out and I melted a piston, so far everything else seems to be ok<I seem to have got real lucky>. Has anyone else heard of this problem on this motor, it has a plastic drive gear and a steel shaft to the oil pump, would like to know if this is a common problem so I can decide whether I should start mixing oil in the gas tank
 

DHPMARINE

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Re: oil pump drive

As the tide comes in .... so won't the replies<br /><br />DHP
 

LubeDude

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Re: oil pump drive

Yes it happens, but usually there will be a bit of rust on the pump shaft that caused the failure of the plastic gear.
 

Scali

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Re: oil pump drive

maybe stick with the oil inj. & premix 75-1 , thats what I've been doing to be on the safe side lately..
 

scouse1

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Re: oil pump drive

thanks for the replies, the oil pump was in good shape I can not find a reason for the failure, thats why I was asking if this was a common problem. I have stripped the rest of the poweerhead down and everything looks good so I guess I will start rebuilding, thanks again
 

WillyBWright

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Re: oil pump drive

If the oil pump failed, all of the pistons would be toast, not just one. There's another problem and it's not oil related. Could be fuel or ignition. Best to find that before you put it back into service.
 

scouse1

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Re: oil pump drive

my experience is limited to 2 stroke motorcycles but a lean mixture almost always burned a hole in the piston, ignition was not a problem unless it was already leaned out, course sustained operation would make it overheat, all the indications point to lack of oil it just happened to one cylinder, please believe I am not trying to contrdict what you say just trying to get as much input as I can to find out what happened to my motor, carb checked out good, ignition I can not check right now, when this happened I was just 200 yards from the boat ramp no warnig just a lock up. I agree with what you say it should have trashed em all, thats why I am here it boggles my small mind ....thanks again for your replies
 

WillyBWright

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Re: oil pump drive

Depending what cylinder it is, it could be a leaking crank seal or a crankcase leak. Either could lean it out enough to trash a piston. If the ignition is too far advanced it can trash a piston or more, but it usually picks on one for some odd reason. The other options are breakage from a flawed casting, overrevving, or other fatigue. It could also be carbon build-up in the ring grooves forcing the ring against the cylinder wall too hard.<br /><br />It is also possible that it suffered damage from a prior overheat or some other cause and lost compression on just that cylinder. The other 5 would keep it going, but lack of compression would mean lack of fuel draw to the bad one. Since the lubrication comes with the fuel, it starves for lubrication and that really messes things up in a hurry.<br /><br />Several years ago I had a boy's camp bring me their motor to fix for lacking power. It had no compression in 1 cylinder. I removed the head and found that one cylinder was pretty much toast. "It still ran when we brought it in, just put the head back on." I refused because I knew that if they kept on running it, that cylinder would go completely and leave them stranded. They were really pissed at me, but they would've been a lot madder WHEN it locked-up entirely. It would've been less than an hour for sure. I also refused because it was a 200 on a 150max boat. When I find that a boat is overpowered there are three things I CAN do. Refuse to work on it at all, decomission it, or diagnose a problem but not fix. Making it usable on that boat is not an option. But that's another story.
 

river rat 26

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Re: oil pump drive

WillyB, Helsby is saying that after disassembly he found that the oil pump drive was indeed melted. Would this happen if the motor locked up for another reason? I beleive he is trying to find the cause of the piston failure so the problem does not repeat itself. The melted gear is a mystery at this point.
 

scouse1

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Re: oil pump drive

just want to say thanks for all the input, I am looking for all the ideas I can so I really appreciate all your input so thanks again I will take all your comments into consideration when I rebuild the motor
 

Robot19

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Re: oil pump drive

Check out Electronic Oil Injection at Go2Marine.com and you won't have to worry about oil problems in the future.
 

admar

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Re: oil pump drive

is the oil gear melted or just all chewed up? if it is chewed up it failed !!! replace oil pump and gear if you decide to oil inject, the pump may seem pricey but its cheap insurance. <br />oil gear failure is common on v6 mercurys, and single piston failures are not that uncommon.<br />impropper starting proceedure causes many of these failures. a propperly tune and adjusted v6 does not need 1/2 to wot to start when cold, oil drive gear is lubricated by the same oil as the pistons, gear is nearly dry after sitting between uses, high rpm starts cause gear to heat up and start to fail. most gear failures i see are carb. engines, efi engines rarely come in with stripped gears, they are turn key starting and idle at initial start up.
 

scouse1

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Re: oil pump drive

yeah! I guess the gear was just chewed up, but I usually start it at idle and let her warm up while I do all my other pre-launch stuff, thanks for the input I will consider all when I rebuild<br /> thanks Bryan
 
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