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[googen9]

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Ok, well I got the lower unit back in, now more trouble. Gears got screwed up by me turning the prop gear. Have no clue how to get it back in order. Was in neutral when I took it apart. Also still no water thru the pee hole, but I think the problem might be not enough water thru the earmuffs. I bought a cheap pair and only oneside delivers water. Need to submerge it to draw water up and prime. Any ideas out there would be appreciated as always, Glenn

 

[Laddies]

Re: Trouble already

The muffs with water on one side will work great, make sure that he engine is not overheating before dropping the unit, so you know if the shift shaft is the only problem. Then drop the unit make sure both shafts are in the same gear, remember to turn the prop in the opposite direction of rotation (fwd gear c/clockwise and if you use rev clockwise) I like rev I think it has less of a chance to jump into a differant gear, say a couple of bad words and carefully reinstall the unit

 

[Clams Canino]

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Originally posted by AMD Rules:<br />

Originally posted by heimer1161:<br /> ...Looks like they gave me the wrong impeller, to big. ...

Glenn,<br /><br />I replace mine as part of the winterization process at the end of each season.<br />

Which assures it a full "season" of sitting in one position through many heat/cool cycles all winter. <br /><br />How about replacing it in the spring as part of the un-winterizing ceremony? So it's new when you get to use it? <br /><br />-W

 

[googen9]

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Interesting day. Ran the outboard for about 5 minutes in a 55gal drum of water, still no water out the pee hole. Dropped the lower unit and inspected the impeller, it was disenigrated as were the gaskets. Shaft was very hot, but now it turns with the prop where it didnt before. not sure what I did wrong or whats my next move other than getting another impeller and gasket set. This is really fun stuff!!! Glenn

 

[Moody Blue]

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Heimer do you have a manual for your motor ? Probably a good investment if you plan on performing more DIY tasks. The manuals will take you thru the entire process step by step with photos for reference. Very handy.<br /><br />As for the impeller, is it possible you ran the motor without water for even 10-15 seconds? Did you lube the impeller insert cup before installing the impeller? What condition is the insert cup? If it is badly worm it might chew up the new impeller. With the waterpump lower housing removed, inspect the water passages from the intakes on the L/U to the pump housing - they may be clogged and preventing water from reaching the pump. How do you mean the gaskets were disintegrated? How is that possible? The gaskets should not be in contact with any moving parts.

 

[googen9]

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Thanks Rod, yes I have the manual but it can be vauge to a rookie like me. Looking at the manual I see what looks like a insert( cup) your talking about. Was not present before I put in impeller. The gasket was ripped I believe from the impeller shredding apart. Is it hard to remove the lower base of thewater pump? I cant find it in the book. I'll keep looking and reading. Thanks again for your help. Glenn

 

[googen9]

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Ok, here we go. New impeller, housing, gaskets ect.. installed. Found a ton of caked mud in the lower unit, flushed it all out. Now ready to try again. Once again, how do I know what gear I'm in? The controls in the boat wont go foward, only netural and reverse. It worked fine prior to me removing the lower unit. If I turn the prop gear, how do I know which one is foward? I know I'm killing you guys with these questions but I hope this is it. Thanks again for any help offered. Glenn

 

[Laddies]

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Before trying to install the unit you must find out why the engine won't shift into fwd gear with the control box, if it won't shift without the unit installed it sure won't with the unit installed---Bob

 

[KCLOST]

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Check the shift linkage just under the block...

 

[Moody Blue]

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Never actually had to do this but this is how I would do it if I encountered this problem.<br />1) rotate shift shaft in L/U to both extremes (CW and CCW). This would be forward and reverse. The middle of travel should be neutral. Not sure if there are detent stops at each gear or not. Place shift shaft in neutral or middle of travel.<br />2) select neutral on the remote control unit. Now both the lower unit and the control unit should be in neutral IF you didn't change any of the cable adjustments in the shift linkage after removing the lower unit.<br />3) install lower unit being sure to align all components as suggested earlier in this thread. If you have trouble aligning the driveshaft splines with the flywheel splines have a helper rotate the flywheel by hand (make sure ignition system is disabled !) until splines line up. Should pop right up into place and gear selections should be aligned.<br />Again this is not a verified procedure only my approach to this problem. Be sure to lube the impeller and insert before installing. Verify the impeller vanes are curved in the right direction when installed in the pump housing. Good luck.

 

[AMD Rules]

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If you haven't rotated the splined shift shaft on the lower unit at all, I would leave it. Many people have had frustrations after tinkering with it.<br /><br />If prop won't rotate in either direction - lower unit is in reverse.<br /><br />If prop rotates freely in either direction - lower unit is in neutral.<br /><br />If prop wont rotate counter-clockwise, and simply ratchets when turned clockwise - lower unit is in fwd gear.<br /><br />Set your controls in the appropriate position to match the lower unit.<br /><br />Rod's advice about rotating the flywheel for alignment is fantastic.<br /><br />Have you had any luck with the helm controls shifting in fwd gear yet?

 

[googen9]

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Hi guys, great advice!!! I figured out the flywheel trick a day eariler, worked like a charm!<br />The prop only clicks clockwise, so that means it's in forward, correct? The helm control still only goes in neutral and reverse. I tried to force it forward but it jumped out of the linkage do-hickey. I got it back in. It was all working fine before I dropped the lower unit the first time, so I'm stumped again.<br />Any ideas on how to get the helm control to go into forward? I hope I didnt break anything by forcing it. I will hold off on Rods suggestion until I get some other ideas. Thanks fellas, Glenn

 

[googen9]

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How do I turn the shift shaft? What tool? Dont want to force it.

 

[Moody Blue]

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Is the lower unit off the motor now? If L/U is off, you should be able to select all three gears from the helm control. If not, the problem is in the cable, the control itself or the linkage at the motor. If the L/U is installed just disconnect the linkage at the motor and try the controls. Again the controls should work smoothly through all three gears. Try and isolate where the problem is by eliminating possible causes.<br /><br />As for turning the shift shaft you could use any plier or even a socket to fit the splined shaft at the top. Shaft will only rotate about +/- 30 degrees or so from center (neutral) position.