71 Merc 850 with no spark

burnboyy

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My motor sn is 4297123. It is a 4 cylinder 85hp. I have no spark whatsoever. I just replaced the coil because i had no spark before. When i put the new coil in the motor worked fine for a few days, now i'm back to no spark again, last time the coil fixed the problem, i don't know how it could have failed so quick. Anyone think it could be an ignition switch problem or something? The last coil was $80 and the ignition box is like $380, i can harldy afford to buy parts i don't need<br /> -Justin
 

emckelvy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

Most typical problem with these is the trigger assy in the distributor. The trigger is embedded in the dist. housing and it must be replaced as an entire unit. <br /><br />You might want to try the following checks to help narrow down the problem:<br /><br />"MERCURY BATTERY-POWERED CDI TEST <br />FOR DISTRIBUTOR MODELS, Courtesy of Clams Canino<br /><br />This test is for the 332-2986 switchbox used from 1967-1978 on all the inlines.<br /><br />This test assumes your coil is good (most all are).<br /><br />DISCONNCT BATTERY <br /><br />1. Turn off ignion<br />2. Disconnect all 3 wires on the distributor side of the switchbox.<br />3. Remove the HV lead from the coil to the center cap (remember it unscrews<br />from cap)<br />4. Reconnect that HV center lead to the COIL side only.<br />5. Position that HV lead about about 3/8" from ground (block, shrouds etc)<br />and find a way to hold it there.<br />6. Jumper the brown and white terminals on the dist. side of the switchbox<br />together.<br /><br />RECONNECT BATTERRY<br /><br />7. Check that you have +12 V at red terminal.<br />8. Turn on ignition and verify +12V at white terminal (on red terminal side)<br />9. Touch the black terminal to ground - unit should cause spark each time<br />you touch ground.<br /><br />If that passes and it won't fire at all, suspect the trigger."<br /><br />HTH...........ed
 

burnboyy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

I went to a mechanic today in Bellingham to get an impeller, while i was there i asked him how much he would charge to fix this problem, the rate is 90/hr but he did say that my coil is not bad if i just bought it, regardless of if the key is left on. He says that I more than likely have a bad ground, but i did ask him if it could be the trigger and he said it very well could be, i'm going to run that test you gave me and see what i can find, cheapest coil i found is a remanufacture that cost $240 at oldmercs.com hopefully i just have a bad ground, wonder how much trouble putting a trigger in would be?<br /><br /> thanks for the help<br /> -Justin
 

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

Do the test, stay away from that mechanic, he don't work on many battery CD ign. systems that is obvious
 

burnboyy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

Well I'm very confident the problem is the trigger now. My question is can i replace teh trigger alone? or do i have to replaice the distributor cap and rotor as well, the trigger alone is $340 cap and rotor are bout $700 the projected labor was round $800, these repairs come to near 2000, the motor is a 71, i wonder if i should even drop that money in it, or if i should just pay 500 more and he will put a whole new power head on, i don't even have a fly wheel puller so doing itmyself seems unreasonable
 

emckelvy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

Justin, the cap doesn't have to be replaced, the stainless clamp just holds it in place and it can easily be removed. No sense in replacing unless it's broken.<br /><br />The rotor comes out of the trigger housing as one big assy and if it's not busted on the cap end, you can re-use it too.<br /><br />It doesn't take that long to take the distributor out, or apart, can't believe this mech. wants to charge you $800 labor for a 2.5 to 3-hour job at most. I'd stay away if I were you!!!<br /><br />You may be able to find a price break on some of the distributor parts at www.boatfix.com. <br />Get a parts list for your motor at http://www.dougrussell.com/partscatalog/collections/index.cfm?fuseaction=collectdetails&colid=01 <br /><br />I'd recommend getting a Seloc or equiv manual if you want to attempt this repair, it'll step you the process from start to finish.<br /><br />The distributor isn't that hard to get apart. Locking tabs on top, then the end unscrews. Once that's off you have to pry the small upper bearing out. Then you'll see the end of the rotor shaft and locknut. Use a 3/4" deep socket on an impact wrench. If you hold the rotor firmly in a leather-gloved hand, the locknut'll come right loose when you hit it with the impact. You may even be able to use a ratchet to loosen it up, just depends on how tight it is.<br /><br />Once you have the locknut loose, the rotor taps out the bottom. Hold the copper 'chopper' disc in place while tapping the rotor out. With the rotor out you'll see the bottom bearing pressed into the trigger housing, and a snap ring. You'll need new bearings and snap ring if the housing assy doesn't come with these already installed.<br /><br />You'll note that the copper disc is keyed to fit the rotor. Before removing, mark the disc with a magic marker so you'll get the correct side out upon reassembly.<br /><br />You'll probably have to remove the flywheel to get the distributor out, unless the dist. uses thru-bolts, and the nuts are accessible. Later style motors have threaded bosses and the bolts install from the top; these are blocked by the flywheel which must be removed to gain access.<br /><br />When you're done, you'll have to re-set belt timing and readjust your maximum spark advance.<br /><br />Piece of Cake with a manual, also search this forum and you'll probably find this and more described in detail.<br /><br />One other option, check with these guys as last time I was over there they were selling a complete used Merc distributor assy for around $300 or so:<br /><br />Mike's Marine, Port Orchard, WA. <br /><br /> http://www.mikesmarinerepair.com/ <br /><br />You could go to their yard in Pt. Orchard or have it shipped out, it wouldn't be that much to Bellingham.<br /><br />Funny, lotsa stuff seems more expensive up there. Guess they know they've got you over a barrel. I drug home a dead Trooper after the timing chain broke and the local Ford dlr told him the engine would have to be replaced to the tune of over $3000!!! It was a great deal for what I got it for and after I replaced the timing chain it ran great!.<br /><br />Maybe I should set up a boat shop in Bellingham! Nyuk.<br /><br />G'luck with the distributor...........ed
 

roger3645

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

Burnboyy: You need to be 100% certain it is the the trigger b4 you spend that kind of money. I have a 1975 850 mercury and find many of my parts on ebay. Many of the triggers and ignition boxes can be interchanged during those model years. You can also buy with a warranty off ebay. So shop around for a good deal.
 

burnboyy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

I also thought to myself that this whole no spark deal could have been because of a fried rectifier, my cousin accidently hooked up the battery inverted awhile back and tried to turn it over. The motor ran fine after this for a few hours, so i would think the rectifier is like a bulb, works or doesn't, no goo oozing out of the switch box i noticed which apparenlty is usually a give away to a failing switch box, As for repair manuals i got these interloc ones form the public library, my i should buy a seloc manual
 

emckelvy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

Rectifier shouldn't have anything to do with the no-spark problem.<br /><br />If you did the Clams Canino spark test as outlined above, and you can get spark out of the system with the trigger bypassed, it's surely the trigger. <br /><br />BTW Clams also sells used distributors on eBay etc, maybe he's got a Christmas Special deal for ya!<br /><br />G'luck.......ed
 

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

with your type of switch box, you shouyld have a constant +12V to the red terminal at all times, even with the key in the "off" position.<br /><br />with the key in the " on " position, you should have +12V at the white terminal( just below the red).<br /><br />some times, the wire harness will corrode and deteriorate and you may not even notic this. i know, ive had it happen to my 1975 850.<br /><br />try running a small jumper wire from the red terminal to the white terminal, so that it has +12V to the white too, but if it starts when you do this, you wont have a kill switch via the key, youll have to choke it to kill it.<br /><br />also, try the " clams sanino spark test" as posted above. its a great trouble shooting tool.<br /><br />let us know.
 

burnboyy

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Re: 71 Merc 850 with no spark

WOW myoutboards, you rock, we bridged those wires and it fired right up, of course my white wire looked yellow i only knew it was teh right one because you said right below the red, also had to DC the wire to kill the engine, it was choking out slow, great advice man, saved me 1500.00 bucks for triggger replacement which wasnt' the problem
 
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