DT85 ignition troubles

Matt_W

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I have a suzuki DT85 outboard that wont start. The next paragraph is the history of the motor but feel free to skip over it if you want.<br /> Long story short it hit a plastic bag at one point and over heated. The motor was completely rebuilt and ran fine for about 10 hours. Then it was diagnosed to be a bad CDI unit. Then i received it.<br /> The bad CDI was found by a non suzuki mechanic and he said he thought it was that because nothing else was wrong. I have went through all the tests in the manual and coils all check within spec along with the pulser coils and rectifier. I checked the fuel pump and the diaphram is good. Compression is good in each cylindar. Am i stuck buying a CDI or is there something else i can do. The engine wont even start now. If i feed it some ether i sometimes get a slight kick. Any suggestions? Anyone know what a CDI is gonna cost me? Is it worth it for this mid 80's vintage engine?
 

fridays

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

Do you have spark or not?? Have you checked the flywheel key..maybe it's simply sheared. Suzuki CDI units are pretty bulletproof...If you really need one let me know..I probably have one used.
 

Matt_W

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

Here is the update. I tested for spark on all three cylindars and they all have spark. Then just for the heck of it i tested compression again. All were very close to 125psi. I double checked all the grounds that might have something to do with the CDI and all seemed good. The engine is very clean because it was recently rebuilt. Is there any way to check for the bad key without removing the flywheel? Or a way to do this without using a puller? I dont think i can check the timing without the engine running. <br />I sprayed some more ether in there and it kicked once again. Is there some safety circuit i can bypass that is internal to the CDI unit? <br /> Im back to suspecting the CDI? does anyone have a tester for it? I would be willing to pay to have it tested. I would pay shipping both ways and give you some money for your trouble. Any help would be great. Thankyou
 

Matt_W

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

Now i feel stupid. I pulled off the flywheel and the woodruff key was in two peices. Ive never seen one completely in two before. Thats what i get for trusting someone elses diagonstics and being lazy and not pulling the flywheel when i got the boat and motor three years ago. Thank you so much FridaysMarine. Tomorrow its off to get a new key and maybe hopefully fire it up.
 

Matt_W

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

I replaced the woodruff key and cleaned out the old gas, put in some new gas and tried to start it. It wouldnt start. I sprayed some ether in and it started up with the throttle pretty far open. It ran for about 2 seconds then it died. Almost like it was running on ether and then it ran out. I checked the fuel pump and its not leaking, i pumped the fuel bulb until it was hard and i can see fuel getting to the fuel pump. I would suspect a fuel problem except i cant see one. Carbs have recently been rebuilt. im back to suspecting the CDI? Any help would be great.
 

Matt_W

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

Well it starts for a second on ether then dies. So i ran all the tests over and also tried the CDI output test that is in the clymer manual for the 1988 zuki but im not sure it applys to my 87 model. Anyway all three coils are getting very close to 3.7 Volts AC so i guess its RMS value. Its not close to the 90 volts that is specified for the 88 model in the manual but at least all the voltages are the same. <br /> I rechecked all the fuel lines and i am definately getting fuel to all three carbs however my sparkplugs are all bone dry. I keep pumping fuel and trying to start it i would think the plugs would start to get a little fouled but not the case. After it turnes over for a little while the bulb gets soft and i pump it again so im assuming the fuel is making it into the combustion chamber. I dont see it going anywhere else. <br /> I tested the pulsar coils and the resistance reading is high by about 100-150 ohms. Would this cause the engine to behave like it is? Im running out of ideas so any help at all would be great. Is there any way to bypass the pulsar coils just to start it for a minute even if it runs like crap. Im getting desperate.
 

vidar

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

try to sqirt premix in carbs not ether if it starts a littel on that you are missing FUEL...
 

victor lutz

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

matt-w my name is vic. do you still have the dt85 <br />i am looking for the cdi if it is good . mine still runs but it dies out. i am looking for a back up to try . what year is yours
 

jim dozier

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

Sheesh! :rolleyes: I just saw the date on the oringinal post. Nevermind.<br /><br />If you have a strong spark (which is easily confirmed with an inexpensive spark checker from an autoparts store) quit worrying about the ignition. To run you need a good spark, at the right time (timing), compression (125 psi good enough), and fuel/air mixture. You have fixed the flywheel key so timing is probably good enough to start. I believe you need to focus on the carbs and the linkage with the ignition timing. If the same guy that diagnosed your ignition did the carb rebuild you may know where to start. Iixnay with the etheray. Use premix in a squirt bottle. Pull off the air box and squirt some in each carb. Choke the engine. Make sure the battery is sufficient to turn the engine over at a good clip. If it fires up and then dies pull the carbs and do a thorough cleaning and reassemble with a rebuild kit. While you in there rebuild the fuel pump with a new diaphragm. Set the float height (level when upside down)and idle air mixture screws (1 1/4 turns out from lightly seated) to the manual specs.
 

victor lutz

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Re: DT85 ignition troubles

Originally posted by Matt_W:<br /> I have a suzuki DT85 outboard that wont start. The next paragraph is the history of the motor but feel free to skip over it if you want.<br /> Long story short it hit a plastic bag at one point and over heated. The motor was completely rebuilt and ran fine for about 10 hours. Then it was diagnosed to be a bad CDI unit. Then i received it.<br /> The bad CDI was found by a non suzuki mechanic and he said he thought it was that because nothing else was wrong. I have went through all the tests in the manual and coils all check within spec along with the pulser coils and rectifier. I checked the fuel pump and the diaphram is good. Compression is good in each cylindar. Am i stuck buying a CDI or is there something else i can do. The engine wont even start now. If i feed it some ether i sometimes get a slight kick. Any suggestions? Anyone know what a CDI is gonna cost me? Is it worth it for this mid 80's vintage engine?
 
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