4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

[andymach23]

I collected my Yamaha F40 4 stroke today after an annual service. I was charged for 4 hours labour to do the following work by my Yamaha Dealer.<br /><br />Change Gear oil<br />Change Engine oil & Filter<br />Change Spark plugs<br />Remove prop and grease shaft<br />Flush carbs and clean out fuel system<br />Grease all moving parts.<br /><br />Is 4 hours excessive for this? Is there a Yamaha recommended time this service should take?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Andy

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

dont know what problems you had or why it was there. if the carb flush and fuel system had a problem maybe. why were the carbs flushed? the rest is 45 min.<br /> carb flush if all they did was pull the drain plugs is about 15 min. but I dont know if the had any problems or actually removed the carbs for cleaning.<br /> takes a couple hours to remove and clean them.

 

[bigbrownbuku]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

yeah if the carbs were removed for cleaning that sounds about right. if you had a running problem that was carb related the only option is to remove and inspect. tis the season for carb work.<br />a coutesy call is common for such extra work, from us at least.

 

[andymach23]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

No, the carbs were not removed. The Engine was bought last August and did 12 hours only before my winter lay up. This is effectively it's running in/annual service. The engine is in perfect working order and does not have any carb trouble. What was done was simply routine.<br /><br />Would Yamaha have guide lines on how long services like this should take?

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

wow<br /> 4 hours for a routine service may be excessive. but without having the techs view I could not say. for just a dewinterize its a long time. if layed upproperly there is no need for any oil changes or greasing, thats part of the layup. unless it was not layed upcorrectly.

 

[andymach23]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

I was advised by the dealer to go for an annual service as this would include the running in service items. The guy actually doing the work had never seen the engine before. The lay up issue did not come into it.<br /><br />This is this dealers'standard' service which includes the items I mentioned above.<br /><br />I flushed the motor thoroughly, fogged the cylinders and ran all the fuel out of the engine at the end of the season before covering the boat up. There was no formal lay up done by the dealer. It is probably just as well as this would probably also have been a 4 hour session.<br /><br /> I phoned up the dealer to complain this morning and was told that they allow for 2 engines per day. One before lunch and one after. They are also in new premises so have more costs so have to charge more. I also phoned Yamaha and was told by customer relations that they don't have any recommended times for servicing. It seems like dealers then have a free hand.<br /><br />2 hours labour would have been more than fair. Charging for 4 is way over the odds.<br /><br />What is the point in trailing a boat to a dealer to be ripped off for doing these simple tasks. <br /><br />Thanks for the input.

 

[Dhadley]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

On an annual service arent they supposed to check the valves too?

 

[DHPMARINE]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

Sounds to me that if/when you have a real problem (that takes a regular shop 4 hours),you might tie up your shop for days on end.<br /><br />DHP

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

the valves is a 200 hours OR 2 years whichever comes first. man that outta be good for an 8 hour service. I hope the dealer sends you bithday andchristmas cards.<br /> ANDY C MAC what part of the world do you have that boat in ?

 

[arboatdr]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

Hmmmm, 2 boats per day? Wonder how long I could last doing that at my shop. Lets see, open bay door and put boat in shop .5 hr. Search shop for plyers and screwdriver 1.2 hrs. Drive to 7-11 for smokes .6 hrs. repair engine as requested 1.5hrs. go to bathroom with newspaper .5 hrs. open bay door and pull out boat. .5 hr. total hrs4.3 hrs. You got a deal!! I doubt I could get away with that for long.

 

[andymach23]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

It's in Ireland.<br /><br />The dealer has just moved to larger show room and workshop. When I complained I was told that they had to now charge more to make money. That's a fair enough point but saying work takes longer than it actually did to make extra money is seriously questionable.<br /><br />To his credit, he was sympathetic to my complaint and offered me discount on any accessories I might need. In the long run this doesn't help though. <br /><br />When I decided to buy a new Yam last summer I specifically asked about servicing costs on the 4-stroke. I was told they would be a little more than the old 2 stroke 40 I had which took 1 hour to do. That made sense considering the engine oil and filter etc.<br /><br />Maybe if enough people complain, they will start operating in a more reasonable manner.

 

[bossee]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

When Your Yamaha F40 is out of warranty maybe You can do service Yourselv? Get the Yamaha Service manual and maybe You can do the work.<br /> http://www.yamahapubs.com/html/itemsearch.jsp?type=OB&Year=2004&Brand=Four+Stroke&model=&x=72&y=8

 

[tabbott]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

Maybe they needed a larger shop to accomodate all of those 4 hr. service orders. By the way, you said that sounded like a fair enough point regarding higher pricing due to expansion. In America we'd just move on to the next competitor offering the same service at a better price. Do businesses not compete in Ireland? If it were me, that dealer would be told to Go to He#$ and I'd seek out a competent competitor or do as Ob suggested and learn the service myself. God be with you if you need those guys for a repair!<br />tabbott

 

[andymach23]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

Unfortunately there is only 1 Yamaha dealer locally in Northern Ireland.<br /><br />I will most definitely be doing this basic work myself once the warranty expires. I did my own routine stuff on my Yam 40 2 stroke.<br /><br />I was also told by the dealer that they are thinking of not servicing older engines, say 10 years old or more, because they have to charge so much now.<br /><br />The deal is that they are allowing for 2 motors a day, one before lunch and one after. That allows for 2 victims per day for a 4 hour service.<br /><br />I'm hopeful that they will see sense if some more ripped off customers complain.<br /><br />Do Yamaha have any input into how dealers charge for work in the US?

 

[tabbott]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

Typically an estimation guide is used for service work. Yamaha may provide this for their independant dealers. But, it's ultimately in the hands of the dealer if they choose to follow a set guideline for service pricing. By the way, that two motors per day line is a bunch of garbage. That would never work over here. <br />Good Luck,<br />tabbott

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

wow<br /> two motors a day? that is twice what gets done in venezuela . gotta have siesta and such. and anymore the weekend starts midday thursday

 

[butlp]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

I don't understand why you can't do your own servicing now!<br />Doing your own routine servicing like oil, filter plugs does not void the manufactures warranty and is a hell of a lot cheaper.<br />Buy a workshop manual and go to it!

 

[DHPMARINE]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

Two motors a day works fine if you can charge 4hours each.Of course that's a one man shop.<br /><br />DHP

 

[andymach23]

Re: 4 Hours for basic Yam F40 service??

That's interesting about the warranty issue.<br /><br />I thought that you had to get your motor serviced by the Yamaha dealer while in warranty?<br /><br />There is no way I would have paid for this simple work if this is true. I wonder if this applies to the UK.<br /><br />I will check this out in the book I got with the motor or maybe give Yamaha Customer Services a call to make sure.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Andy