0x66 Oil Rod Adjustment

TomS

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Quick question on oil rod adjustment on a 1999 Yamaha SX200TXRX (EFI).<br /><br />For a little background, my 02 density sensor and draw tube are completely fouled with carbon, and I'm doing what I can to clean and re-test to see if its still operating correctly. Its looking like its too far gone, as the voltage output stays at around .5-.6V but doesn't react when the throttle plate hole #1 is blocked when running on the muffs. Before I cleaned up the sensor, the voltage output would slowly climb and seemed to stay around .8-.9V, which would result in too much oil, if I understand this stuff correctly. I will probably need to order a new 02 sensor over the winter. <br /><br />Because I don't know the history of this motor, I just purchased a set of low pressure fuel pumps, thermostats, fuel/water separator filters (Racor and tank mount), sparkplugs, water pump/impeller, etc which I haven't yet installed. I also plan to inspect the VST pump filter and PCV valve to see what shape they are in. FYI, based on all the carbon I found, I just went through a sea-foam shock treatment.<br /><br />I just pulled the boat for the season, and ran through about 745 gallons of fuel (w/ ringfree) and about 12 gallons of Yamalube, which gives approx 62:1 ratio. The gas:eek:il ratio seems pretty good, but I noticed that the oil pump lever is about 1/16" (~ 1.5mm) away from the stop when the throttle is at idle.<br /><br />The Yamaha service manual states that the oil pump lever should touch the stop when the throttle valves are closed.<br /><br />The SELOC manual states that the oil pump lever should hit the stop when the throttle is at idle position, and if not, to adjust the lever to hit the stop with the throttle valves fully closed. <br /><br />Without the history of the motor, I can't tell if the 02 sensor has been completely neglected, or if I have a legit over-oiling problem.. which could be caused by a number of things, most of which will (hopefully) be covered by installing the new pumps and filters mentioned above.<br /><br />The question is whether I should adjust the lever to hit the stop at idle (and/or with throttle plates closed), or leave things as they are now and be happy with the 62:1 ratio?<br /><br />-- Tom
 

John from Madison CT

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Re: 0x66 Oil Rod Adjustment

Rodbolt will give you the best advice for sure, but IMO, a 62:1 Gas to Oil ratio is excellent. I would think you have that dialed in just right when you factor in the idle consumption of 100:1 and the WOT at 50:1.<br /><br />O2 sensors need to be cleaned and most likely yours never was after 6 years of use.
 

rodbolt

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your doing ok<br />the O2 sensor cleaning schedule is every 200 hour OR OR OR once per year whichever occurs FIRDT FIRST FIRST.<br /> you really will need to teach yourself how to read a manual. thottle valves fully closed is not throttle valves at idle. to fully close the valve requires dissconnecting the bottom 2 shafts from the link rod and disconnect the oil link rod at the lower shaft. make a note or a pic of which hole it goes in:) :) . use a wire feeler gauge and make sure the distance from the pump arm to the stop is at the correct gap with the throttle blade closed and the pump rod inserted in the link. usually if its within .020" its fine though.<br /> its rather rare they are off on the 2.6 motors.<br />your oil comsumption numbers look good.<br /> the O2 sensor has absolutly noting to do with oil consumption, oil consumption is strictly a function of engine RPM and pump arm position on that motor.<br /> always carefully inspect the white plasic clip on the pump arm for cracks. if it breaks it will smoke like a train.usually if its within .020" its fine. though.
 

TomS

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Re: 0x66 Oil Rod Adjustment

Rodbolt and John, thanks for the input I appreciate it. From reading through the older posts on the forum looks like John just went through all this a couple of years ago! :) <br /><br />I'm playing catch-up with this motor, as I just purchased it last winter and don't know its maintenance history. I found this site mid-way through the season, and as a result have purchased the Yamaha and SELOC manuals, as well as all the other parts that I see you and the other helpful folks here recommending daily.<br /><br />I understand that the 02 sensor has nothing to do with the oil consumption, my thought was that the oil consumption may have something to do with all the carbon on the 02 sensor :) <br /><br />Just trying to fix the root problem and not one of the side effects. <br /><br />I think my plan will be to winterize the engine, and in the spring replace the fuel pumps, O2 sensor, thermostats, spark plugs, etc.. after I burn off all the fogging oil. That way I can start with a clean slate and address things as I come up.<br /><br />I will try and do an entire water pump/impeller replacement prior to winterizing, so I'm sure I'll come back with some more questions..<br /><br />Thanks again..<br /><br />-- Tom
 

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make sure you do the pressure grommet as well. the manual wont tell you how to remove or replace the drive shaft lock coller. post when ya get that far in the water pump replacement<br />were it me I would do it all after winterizing. make sure you run plenty of stabil through the system so the VST pump will not lock
 

TomS

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Re: 0x66 Oil Rod Adjustment

Rodbolt, do you mean you'd do it all in the spring, or do all the work after winterizing the boat, but before winter?<br /><br />As you could guess, I'm up in the air on which is best. I'm up in Mass (long cold winter) if that makes a difference.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />-- Tom
 

rodbolt

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no sense in doing all that just to let it sit, besides now you have a chritmas list when people ask what ya want :) :) <br />cold does not bother an outboard, leave it drimmed down and insure there is no water in the gearcase and the fuel system is treated and the cylinders are fogged and do the maint come springtime.<br /> what your trying to do with a winterize on an outboard is protect the shiney parts and fuel system during an extended period of inactivity.
 

TomS

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Re: 0x66 Oil Rod Adjustment

Had some free time today and decided to make the best of some crummy weather. I was able to do a complete water pump/impeller replacement - it was a hell of a lot easier because of all the info and tips that I had read here.. <br /><br />Rodbolt, your trick for removing the drive shaft lock collar and woodruff key really made this job easy.<br /><br />I also checked out the pressure release valve / grommet and installed new thermostats and gaskets.<br /><br />I also made sure to use thread sealant and anti-seize in the appropriate spots.<br /><br />I'll do the fuel system stuff in the spring (low pressure fuel pumps, replace engine and racor fuel filters, new spark plugs, etc)<br /><br />Thanks all!<br /><br />-- Tom
 

Bob Finch

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Rodbolt, twin (TXRW)OX66 98'250's (02 clean, low pumps done, VST clean etc. etc.) both taken care of. Question is, I do use a lot of oil, have not the done the math to figure exact ratio amount but will next fill up. Want to check oil pump rod to stop! you said, "the distance from the pump arm to the stop is at the correct gap with the throttle blade closed and the pump rod inserted in the link, usually if its within .020" its fine". Question, ok but with controls at idle for (these) engines what is the distance? (I understand idle does not mean the throttle blades are closed). The dock has gotten a bit cold and want to do a quick check that is why I ask "idle" distance! I asked rodbold because I used his quote, I know this formum is not the "rodbold forum" and would appreciate anyones answer. Thanks all!
 

rodbolt

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patton<br /> start a new thread and restate what your attempting. the 250 is a different animal than the 200, although they are similar.<br /> most the 3.1L motors have an oil rod that is really to long and must be modified slightly. the only way to check the arm to stopper clearence is with the lower shutter completely closed. aint no other way.<br /> easiest way is to disconnect the two lower shutters on the stbd side of the throttle body.<br /> I try to get a .005"-.010" clearence even though most rods have to be cut a bit to obtain it.<br /> but each engine will idle with the shutters at a slightly different angle. thats why the test is done with the shutters fully closed.
 

Bob Finch

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Re: 0x66 Oil Rod Adjustment

Thank you, got it. And I see what you mean to get that .005"-.010" the threads are a bit too long and rod needs to trimed. But that the info I needed.<br />Thanks again...
 

rodbolt

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no worries, I trim the threads . do not bend the arm as it may change the arc that moves the lever.
 

rodbolt

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no worries, I trim the threads . do not bend the arm as it may change the arc that moves the lever.
 
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